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speedfiend




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PostSubject: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptyWed Mar 27, 2019 8:21 pm

Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal:
My brake pedal got very stiff and sticky over the last week and I wasted a lot of time on the rear caliper since it was showing corrosion from the winter's riding. After moving on to the master cylinder I disconnected the linkage and found it was all in the main pivot bolt of the pedal. After buying a metric hex set and adapter for my impact wrench I finally got that stubborn bolt loose and the friction immediately disappeared. I then tweaked it with a ratchet so it moved easily without rattling. Don't know what caused that after 11 years and 54,000 miles but I'm not going to the trouble of removing the cotter pin and pulling the bolt unless I need thread-locker to keep it just right. This was an unexpected problem so it took me awhile to figure it out (or I'm just slow) but maybe I can save others time and trouble if they have the same problem.
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YZEtc

YZEtc


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PostSubject: Re: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptyThu Mar 28, 2019 5:25 am

I don't understand what you're getting at.

Do you mean that the pedal was stiff until you backed off on the pivot bolt a bit?
Do you mean that the pedal will now only move freely if you leave the pivot bolt backed off a bit?
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speedfiend




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PostSubject: Re: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptyThu Mar 28, 2019 12:17 pm

Yes.

It's simple sense that a tighter pivot bolt will cause more friction but there was no way it tightened itself. Maybe corrosion though none was visible, I won't know unless I remove it and check and there's a hard to get at cotter pin that would need to be pulled first.
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YZEtc

YZEtc


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PostSubject: Re: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptyThu Mar 28, 2019 7:37 pm

Yes, I believe you are going to have to remove that cotter pin and remove the pivot bolt.

Reason being is that, unless you fell over and bent something, the likely reason you're having a stiff brake pedal is that the grease that was once lubricating your pedal and pivot bolt junction is now no longer in the building.

The pivot bolt has a shouldered length to it that is a wee bit wider than the brake pedal so you should be able to torque that bolt down properly and not bind the brake pedal movement.
Having to run it loose is a good indication that you need to remove the pivot bolt for an inspection.
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speedfiend




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PostSubject: Re: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptyFri Mar 29, 2019 1:13 pm

Ok I found a diagram showing it is indeed a shoulder bolt but the fact that the friction is sensitive to bolt torque indicates it's caused by a vertical surface and not lubrication. So the proper solution would be to put a shim at the threaded end or grind down the surfaces of the washer at the head of the bolt, which may be a bit swelled by corrosion. It's only backed out a tiny fraction but it does seem to have loosened a bit from my 20 mile backroad ride yesterday so I will have to deal with it eventually like you said. Don't know about greasing a part that's subject to so much dust but if there's grease already then I'll clean and regrease.
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rsteiger

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PostSubject: Re: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptyFri Apr 05, 2019 11:27 am

speedfiend wrote:
Ok I found a diagram showing it is indeed a shoulder bolt but the fact that the friction is sensitive to bolt torque indicates it's caused by a vertical surface and not lubrication. So the proper solution would be to put a shim at the threaded end or grind down the surfaces of the washer at the head of the bolt, which may be a bit swelled by corrosion. It's only backed out a tiny fraction but it does seem to have loosened a bit from my 20 mile backroad ride yesterday so I will have to deal with it eventually like you said. Don't know about greasing a part that's subject to so much dust but if there's grease already then I'll clean and regrease.

I had a similar issue with my DL650.  In the end I needed to clean away the corrosion and lube the bolt/joint.
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speedfiend




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PostSubject: Re: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptyFri Apr 05, 2019 7:23 pm

Seems the corrosion is wearing away for me. Last time I tightened the bolt I could snug it lightly without friction but a good tightening would still cause it. A little more braking and vibrating might get it back to good.

But next spring's snowmelt/roadsalt mix may well resurrect it. Oh well, why worry now?
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YZEtc

YZEtc


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PostSubject: Re: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptySat Apr 06, 2019 5:24 am

I don't understand why you refuse to remove the cotter pin.
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PostSubject: Re: Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal   Stiff Sticky Brake Pedal EmptySat Apr 06, 2019 9:01 pm

A good mechanic has the patience to wait for problems to fix themselves. ;-)
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