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rider1a




PostSubject: Tubliss tire conversion   Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:12 am

I just switched both front and rear tires to the Tubliss system (www.tubliss.com). The site shows you the install procedure. Anyway, I just put the bike through a tough 700 mile ride. It works as advertised. The only challenge is: 1. Rim lock is large, so it will require almost double the tire weights to balance. 2. The inner high-pressure tire bladder requires 100 psi, so small electric pumps may not be able to fill it on the trail. The best pump is the high-pressure tire pumps used for ten speed bikes.The benefits is during a puncture, you can plug and go in about 5 minutes. You can also run the tire pressure really low and not worry about pinch flats. As an added layer of safety, you can used Ride One or Slime in the tire to increase the sealing protection factor.
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SheWolf
Alpha Rider



PostSubject: Re: Tubliss tire conversion   Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:00 am

It's apparently not DOT rated, and not supposed to be ridden on the pavement. Have you been able to do any distance pavement riding with it at all?

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rider1a




PostSubject: Great a high-speeds too!   Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:16 pm

They are not DOT rated because having that disclaimer is why his liability attorney told him to so. I have done several hundred miles of 75-80 mph days with excellent performance. Several power users on the http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=555195&highlight=Tubliss have used them on really grueling African rides with not one failed inner tube. Adding the Ride On tire sealant is even an better idea. You also lose a little sprung weight from having an inner tube, so that is another benefit. I use the Tubliss system with Continental TKC80s tires.

I am never going to tubed tire again.
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malibu_dan




PostSubject: Re: Tubliss tire conversion   Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:17 pm

As I mentioned in another thread, they are going to come out with a DOT rated version later this year. Or not. Hopefully the new version will balance easier.
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Mr. Fisherman




PostSubject: Re: Tubliss tire conversion   Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:02 am

I put the Tubliss system on my dirt set and had the first real off road test today... fantastic! I love them and they will stay on the dirt set. I am not going to run slime as I have read that it prevents plugging a puncture by somehow skinning the plug preventing it from sealing. I have plugges tires on other bokes with tubeless tires and they have always held up just fine. Also, swapping tires is a breeze as the system stays on the rim.

As far as a DOT rating... tubes are not rated either so it dosen't bother me. I must balance mine though as on pavement above 50 they rattle my teeth out... just like a rim lock will do. A small price to pay in my opinion. YMMV, do what you are comfortable with. Mine are staying.
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rider1a




PostSubject: My final Tubliss Tire review - WR250R - 5 of 5 stars!   Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:49 am

After several months of delay, I decided to take the plunge and invest in a pair of Tubliss tires for the Yamaha WR250. The installation was easy and the video at the company web site has an excellent video tutorial on the procedure.

Like many successful inventions, the purpose is simple. Eliminate the need to use a motorcycle tire tubes.

Instead of trying to seal the rim to keep air in the tire, the inventor at Tubliss sealed the gap between the two tire beads with a special rubber inner liner or in laymen terms a simple rubber bicycle high-pressure tube. By putting a one-off bicycle tire in the center of the rim and inflating it, the gap at the bottom of the tire is sealed,
making the tire an airtight chamber and eliminating the need for the dreaded motorcycle tubes. It turns the outer tire into the motocross equivalent of a bicycle’s tubular tire into sew-up tire often seen on high-end racing bicycles.

Once installed on both the front and back, I developed a slow leak on the rear high-pressure bladder. I checked the web site and the solution was simple...empty the tire pressure in both chambers and squirt soapy water around the tire bead to increase the sealing factor by eliminating friction between the metal and the tire carcass. Presto, the soapy water suggestion worked! If you don't have soapy water, Armor All works fine.

Then it came time for a bike shop to balance the tire. The Tubliss tire system comes with a beefy metal rim lock and the result is in order to balance the tire, you will use almost double the amount of balancing weights to offset the internal rim lock mass (see gold rim lock below).



After the balancing, it is recommended to use your favorite tire sealant to help increase the puncture resistance qualities of the tire. I prefer Ride On, so I poured via the valve stem the correct amount based on the tire sizes.
Then it came time for the test ride....

The Tubliss tire system has disclaimers stating that it's technology is only for off-road riding. I don't know why this matters but I think the liability attorney for Tubliss suggested inserting this to reduce legal risk. Anyway, eager to ride the bike on side streets and eventually move into the high-speed mode, I was curious to see how handling would be impacted.

After spending a few hours on the various local routes including high-speed bursts up to 85 mph, the Tubliss tire system worked well. I did not detect any vibration or wobbling due to the extra balancing weights or the added tire sealant liquid. Eventually, a few days later I was afforded the chance to take a quick 800 mile weekend trip
consisting of both on and offload tracks. The Tubliss system again worked very well. I checked the pressure on several occasion and no leaks were detected. A word of caution about tire pressure...

The bicycle high-pressure tube portion has to be kept at 100-110 psi, so if you're running a small air-pressure pump off the bike's electrical current, most portable pumps may NOT be able to fill a bicycle tube to 100 psi, which might require a CO2 cartridge system or a high-pressure bike pump. I even encountered some gasoline stations air pump not having sufficient pressure to fill the high-pressure tube.

Nevertheless, the Tubliss tire system delivered on it's promise. As a matter of fact, I can't imagine ever using tubes tires again! The other benefits is you can run the tire pressure very low and not have to worry about a pinch flat often associated with tubed tires. Additionally, should you get a puncture than cannot be repaired with a plug kit, you simply remove the tire and leave the Tubliss tire in place. It is so easy.

So, I would give Tubliss tire system a five of five stars. It is an excellent product. Please check the company web site, to see if they have a pair of Tubliss tires to match your bikes tire size.
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Mr. Fisherman




PostSubject: Re: Tubliss tire conversion   Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:20 pm

Still loving my Tubliss setup

I was loosing air in the rear wheel. I finally removed the wheel and did what the troubleshooting video showed on the web site. deflated the tire, pushed it off the bead, wetted the tire and wheel with soapy water and re-inflated it. Haven't lost air again since

I used an old desert racing trick to balance out the wheels by wrapping lead around the spokes. It helpped a lot but there si still noteable vibration above 60 mph. Not that big of a deal as I run my SUMO set for comutarding and save the knobs for off road riding. At least it isn't loosining my fillings anymore

On my bike, they are keepers
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rider1a




PostSubject: Re: Tubliss tire conversion   Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:47 am

You should balance the tire AFTER you have installed the tire with the rim lock. If possible, have a professional shop do it. Then after I balance the tire, I squirt in a liquid called Ride On. The Ride-On Tire Protection System (“Ride-On TPS”) is a revolutionary line of tire sealants (tyre sealants) formulated to prevent flats caused by punctures from nails, thorns, screws and other debris. The other benefit of Ride On is that is balances the tire as you ride. The liquid acts like a stabilizing weight inside the tire. I was skeptical but it works great!

The stuff can be ordered at:

http://www.ride-on.com/

Safe Travels,

Fred
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Horsman




PostSubject: Re: Tubliss tire conversion   Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:43 am

Thanks rider1a - FRED,
I went and got some of the Ride-on and put it in with the Tubliss. It seems to have sealed the tire nicely and balanced it too. I will have to keep an eye on the tire pressure - I haven't taken the Tubliss off road and I plan to do it this weekend. I will just need to remember to bring a pump before and after my rides - until I can really trust the Tubliss system (I had too many slow leaks in the beginning with the rear tire -- front was perfect).
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RattTongue




PostSubject: Re: Tubliss tire conversion   Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:37 am

Surprised you got it balance with just the ride-on. I may have to try that next time I swap tires. As it is now, I had to put 4 good sized spoke weights on to get it balanced.
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Horsman




PostSubject: Re: Tubliss tire conversion   Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:44 am

RattTongue wrote:
Surprised you got it balance with just the ride-on. I may have to try that next time I swap tires. As it is now, I had to put 4 good sized spoke weights on to get it balanced.
RattTongue -- I have the weights on there but it was still a little off and the Ride-on finished it off.... Ride-on is like $14.95 a bottle and I used two bottles one for front and rear (Made sure to use the right number of OZ on each wheel). I really can't wait to get it off road and see how she runs.
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woxof




PostSubject: Don't Always Believe The Boiler Plate   Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:34 pm

Tubliss rear IS NOT lighter than the stock Dunlop that came on my CRF 250X or a brand new Bike Master cheapo tube. I weighed it all at installation on a food scale. Including rim strap and rim lock. The Dunlop even had some Slime in it that I couldn't squeeze completely out for the Weigh In. Tubliss was at 33OZ - 5 OZ heavier than Dunlop. The Dunlop tube was the original from 2005 and had been in 3 tires with a patch after tire 2 until 4/15/2012
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woxof




PostSubject: Ride On And Tubliss weight   Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:52 pm

Forgot to mention i also weighed the Tubliss single wrap of spoke tape (they used to say 2 wraps). PLEASE how much rRide - ON!? in the tire. I know - different tires different amount. But tell us the tire size and amount or this thread just turns into a hen session. Then it can be compared to Slime as an alternative.
Thanks
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