2012 USA Presidential Election - Who's The "Best" Choice?

taoshum wrote:

Sounds like treason to me? Go for it.

Taoshum - proving that "I don't get it" can span months and years.

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Did we learn anything from the last Depression.

Apparently not. Rooseveldt's big government and socialist policies turned a recession into a depression, and apparently a lot of people today seem to think Obama can try the same thing again and end up with different results.

Rasmussen today:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 21% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21.

The president trails a Generic Republican by three points in an early look at Election 2012.

Another day, another new low in consumer confidence. Seventy-four percent (74%) now believe the economy is getting worse. Overall, confidence is the lowest since March 12, 2009 and is approaching the lowest levels of the post-9/11 era. Just 13% believe the jobs market is better than it was a year ago while 50% say it’s worse. At a time when economists and others wonder if the U.S. is about to enter another recession, most Americans believe the recession never ended.

Jäger wrote:

Rasmussen today:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 21% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-two percent (42%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -21.

The president trails a Generic Republican by three points in an early look at Election 2012.

Another day, another new low in consumer confidence. Seventy-four percent (74%) now believe the economy is getting worse. Overall, confidence is the lowest since March 12, 2009 and is approaching the lowest levels of the post-9/11 era. Just 13% believe the jobs market is better than it was a year ago while 50% say it’s worse. At a time when economists and others wonder if the U.S. is about to enter another recession, most Americans believe the recession never ended.

Yeah.. i saw some of those new poll numbers.. And since no president has ever been re-elected with the economy in the toilet, Obama looks as if he'll be joining Jimmy Carter as another one termer. The similarities between Carter & Obama are eerily similar. They are definitely soul mates philosophically.. have the same liberal, big govt agenda. Obama is a better public speaker.. he can read that teleprompter better than anyone! Anyone see the Al Sharpton clip on MSNBC? He needs to work on his reading skills. But Obama has sharp eyes, & reads very well.

Here in Az we still have a strong, vibrant recession going on. I guess in some of the eastern states that get a lot of govt employess (MD, VA, etc).. the economy is better. Housing has recovered some, jobs are more plentiful. Too bad the fed govt didn't spread that stimulus out a bit so other states could benefit from spending our children's future away. But i guess Az went for McCain, so they don't get any of the spoils.

Around these parts, the recession never ended. We're hoping it has at least hit bottom. The latest stock market action isn't very inspiring, either. It doesn't affect me directly, since i don't own any stocks or funds, but I know it will have a trickle down effect. People will spend less, more kids will move in with their parents (or vice versa), more businesses will fold, & more foreclosures.

We can take comfort in that many other countries who have tried the socialist agenda are in the same boat. France is now under financial scrutiny. England has riots in the streets. I'm not blaming everything on socialist programs, but there is no doubt that they have contributed greatly. We have finally run out of other people's money.

I think most economists have underestimated the depth of the housing crash & it's effect on the economy. Housing is not like the stock market. Millions of people lost their life savings, or if they were able to ride it out, they are much poorer than they were, just with their house. Stocks go back up. They go up & down all the time. But housing prices are slow to recover. No one knew that our govt was playing social justice games with our homes. I guess we should have figured something was up the way prices were going up for several years. But we didn't, & it caught most of us off guard. It ruined millions of people's credit, so they'll be paying cash, & won't be buying a house anytime soon. The construction industry has been the hardest hit in this recession. I read that in Orange county, Ca, the unemployment rate is 10%. But for construction workers it is 38%. Many are small contractors who do not collect unemployment.

But enough depressing economic news & analysis. We can watch the republican presidential debate tonight, & get ready for a real Obama bash! They will probably not criticize each other much, but they will not spare BO. It looks like Perry is gearing up for a stab at the presidency.. he would probably give Romney a bit more competition than the others in the field. But don't look for any big govt solutions tonight. This will be an appeal to the tea party. You won't hear a single criticism of the tea party or anyone say we need to spend more or raise taxes. Liberals who watch this debate will be chilled to the bone. The left will spin it, mock it, & ridicule everything, but it will be the voters who will decide the next president. And it looks like the next president will be a republican. I know Obama is gearing up for a very negative campaign.. his smear machine will be in overdrive, he's got a huge war chest, & he will hire the best to sling any mud he can at the eventual republican nominee.

Any guess who that will be? It's still early, but i'm going out on a limb & say it will be Romney. I'd probably prefer Bachman, but the left wing media has already been pretty successful in trashing her & the tea party. After all, it was their fault that the govt is in this financial mess.. according to the left. I think Perry is coming in a bit too late, but maybe not. Marco Rubio for VP? That's my guess. Anyone else think Romney/Rubio in 2012?

How many times has Romney thrown his hat in the ring only to have it flushed back out????

How many times the party loser in the run-up to the nomination?

That's the best the Reps have to offer?

Romney. The same guy who brought a social medicine program to Massachusetts?

That Romney?

rydnseek wrote:

Yeah.. i saw some of those new poll numbers.. And since no president has ever been re-elected with the economy in the toilet, Obama looks as if he'll be joining Jimmy Carter as another one termer. The similarities between Carter & Obama are eerily similar. They are definitely soul mates philosophically.. have the same liberal, big govt agenda. Obama is a better public speaker.. he can read that teleprompter better than anyone! Anyone see the Al Sharpton clip on MSNBC? He needs to work on his reading skills. But Obama has sharp eyes, & reads very well.

The election is the Republicans' to lose. Given how Boehner and company rolled over and became Obama's bitch on the debt ceiling - from the moment he assumed the Speaker's position, it turns out - it looks like they're working hard at doing just that. If they continue to act like RINOs, paying no attention to what polling and the last election signalled, those who voted for a reversal in direction in the midterms may either stay home... or worse, decide a new, conservative party is needed.

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No one knew that our govt was playing social justice games with our homes.

That should read "giving other people who couldn't afford them homes".

They're back to being what they should have always been as long as their financial situation remained unchanged - renters. Those who got screwed were the contractors and everyone else who listened to Barney Frank, Al Raines, Nancy Pelosi, etc laughing at Bush and some Republicans, assuring everyone the housing market was just wonderful and Fanny and Freddy were a profit-making government asset.

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They will probably not criticize each other much, but they will not spare BO.

It would be interesting to hear each of them give their take on Boehner and McConnell's performance in the debt ceiling dust up.

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This will be an appeal to the tea party. You won't hear a single criticism of the tea party or anyone say we need to spend more or raise taxes.

Which will be interesting to watch them pull off after they rolled over on the debt ceiling.

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Marco Rubio for VP? That's my guess. Anyone else think Romney/Rubio in 2012?

How about we just forget Romney and put up Rubio for president?

Romney is not far removed from full fledged RINO status, his position on the Second Amendment makes him anything but a constitutional conservative, and while socialized health care is within the powers of a state versus the federal government, it doesn't make him sound like a classic conservative.

But in the end, even voting in a RINO is better than our current Marxist/Alinsky president and his VP House Idiot.

rydnseek wrote:

I'd probably prefer Bachman, but the left wing media has already been pretty successful in trashing her & the tea party.

Nobody, especially the media, needs to trash Bachman. All anyone has to do is give her a microphone and let her talk.

Much like Palin, hew own stupid mouth does the best job of digging her own grave.

With Perry stating he's definitely joining the race, there will be a very definitive melting together of religion and politics.

A war of politics and religion between Bachman and Perry, versus Romney...............


Please show me some Libertarian, Independent, or any other third party candidates.....PLEASE.

A few things that make Bachman quite scary:

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Raised in the Lutheran church, Bachmann has said she was born again at age 16 and has rarely made a major decision since without direction from God. She and her husband, Marcus, she said, realized they would marry after God gave them simultaneous visions. She would go on to feel God's hand in decisions to attend law school, have children and take in foster children, seek political office and, ultimately, run for president.

2) Some people that support her tend to think like this:

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"I don't know a lot about Rick Perry," said Bachmann supporter Julia Anderson, the wife of an evangelical pastor and a stay-at-home mom in Hubbard, Iowa. "I would say the one thing that, sadly, is going to maybe be a test for her is the fact that he's a man and she's a woman. I've had people say, 'What are you doing supporting a woman candidate? That's upsetting the order of the home.'"

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her Minnesota campaigns regularly mixed faith and policy

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"We are in the last days," Bachmann prayed from a Minnesota stage in 2006, the year she was first elected to Congress. She asked God during that appearance to help foster the success of You Can Run But You Can't Hide, a Minnesota ministry led by Bradlee Dean, a pastor who has been repudiated even by Republicans for calling gays "predators," among other things.

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In that appearance, Bachmann praised the ministry's outreach to public schools and its attempt to explode notions about the separation of church and state, which she called "a myth."

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6) her husband:

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LAKE ELMO, Minn. — In an interview last year with a Christian-radio talk show, Marcus Bachmann, a therapist who runs a faith-infused counseling center here, compared homosexuals to “barbarians” who “need to be educated, need to be disciplined.”

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In 2006, City Pages, a Minneapolis alternative weekly, reported on a 2005 presentation that Dr. Bachmann delivered at the Grace Church in Eden Prairie titled “The Truth About the Homosexual Agenda,” during which he introduced three people as “former homosexuals” as proof that sexual orientation is a choice. That same article also reported that Bachmann & Associates, the Christian counseling center he runs, practiced “reparative therapy,” a method of converting homosexuals to heterosexuality often called “praying away the gay.”

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Jäger wrote:

Romney is not far removed from full fledged RINO status, his position on the Second Amendment makes him anything but a constitutional conservative, and while socialized health care is within the powers of a state versus the federal government, it doesn't make him sound like a classic conservative.

But in the end, even voting in a RINO is better than our current Marxist/Alinsky president and his VP House Idiot.

I thought Romney carried himself well last night. ..no gaffs, kept his cool. I don't see him losing any ground.

I don't know if Bachman improved herself any.. probably has kept her current base, which Perry will probably take some of.

Gingrich was pretty fiesty.. probably trying too hard to distinguish himself.

Huntsman, Pawlenty, Santorum, Cain, & Paul are probably out. Their contribution will be to whomever they throw their support to.

I like a lot of Ron Paul's views.. probably a little too extreme for mainstream repubs, but i think a lot of his positions will gain support.. Even Newt has embraced some of Paul's Fed views.

I don't see Romney getting unseated, though. Perry might give him a run if Bachman drops.. i don't think Bachman by herself can beat him.

I think Chris Christie would also be a good vp for the repubs, but the need to carry Florida (a major swing state) will probably secure Rubio's pick. If he carries himself well, he could be the first hispanic president in 5-9 yrs.

I don't think Obama will go quietly, though. But i don't know how he will come across as a pit bull.. he has tried so hard to appear as the reasonable adult.. chiding the squabbling children. Will he be able to attack Romney with all the zeal & hostility the left is known for? His supporters will, for sure, but i don't think he can pull it off.

motokid wrote:

A few things that make Bachman quite scary:

Still have the religious phobia thing going? I understand that you don't like any of the repubs, but the dems won't be voting in the repub primary. Who do *you* think will carry the nomination? Who do yo like best (or hate least!)

Bachman's biggest hurdle is the hostility from the left wing media. Just like with Palin, it has assassinated her chances of taking the nomination.. there is a chance she can succeed in spite of the attacks, like Reagan did, but she is not Reagan. What i do like about Bachman is wysiwyg. She is consistent with her principles, not waffling like a lot of politicians, saying what they think the audience wants to hear. Yes, she is religious. Horrors. You left wing guys need to get over your fear of the religious. She is not going to make christianity the state religion. Stop worrying about that. I don't care who she worships, who she sleeps with, or what she does with her private life. What are her fiscal views? How will she make policy? I'm much more impressed with some of her views in this area than many of the 'change with the weather' candidates who seem to be only interested in getting elected.. no principles. Those guys are legion. They are the reason the US is in the trouble it is in. I wouldn't mind giving a more principled person a shot at fixing things.

But Pawlenty might be right.. maybe she's too rigid in her ideology & nothing will get done.

You don't think Romney has a chance? He's a has been who has been recycled too many times? I would think he'd be your favorite. I thought you liked socialized medicine.

I am anti-two-party.

I don't like any of them. They are all part of the problem and none of them are part of the solution.


They all suckle at the teet of the current political machine, a machine which has been broken for decades now) and they all benefit from it equally, while the rest of us strugle to keep our heads above water.


THEY ALL SUCK.


And yes - I don't want the leader of our country having to "converse" and or receive "visions" with/from some mythical sky-fairy defined by the Bible and man (who is deeply fallible when it comes to such things) about every choice they have to make.

motokid wrote:

Nobody, especially the media, needs to trash Bachman. All anyone has to do is give her a microphone and let her talk.

Much like Palin, hew own stupid mouth does the best job of digging her own grave.

Yeah... she talks about having visited 57 states, can't remember her daughter's age...

Oh wait.. that's the smartest guy in the room, the competition...

Statists and socialists have such a huge double standard...

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With Perry stating he's definitely joining the race, there will be a very definitive melting together of religion and politics.

A war of politics and religion between Bachman and Perry, versus Romney

Good lord, they make references to faith and religion, kind of like past presidents... Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy. Can't chance getting something like that again - that's just scary!

Would the left wing media and socialists/statists have ever had a field day with those past presidents and their candidacy if they were running now! Not to mention those whose hatred of religion is an obsessive religion itself.

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Please show me some Libertarian, Independent, or any other third party candidates.....PLEASE.

The essential problem is that none are running because they know the voters with that mindset are such a small minority that they'd just be pissing their time and money away.

Of course, as you apparently seem to know what's wrong with these candidates and these parties, and no suitable candidate in your mind will run... why don't you get off your ass and offer yourself up for candidacy.

Kind of test your own suitability in the court of public opinion as it were.

As it stands now (which means this is subject to change over time) I see things unfolding like this.

Romney side-shuffles into rep nomination. (The cast of characters is just too "dim-bulb" at this point to have any other ending.
As much as I'd prefer to see Ron Paul taking over I believe he's just not what the heart of the conservative base wants.
I really wish he'd go third party.)

That pisses off the tea party fringe enough to declare themselves a third party which may or may not bring out Palin once again. Regardless, the tea party will puke out a candidate which will probably be Bachman and/or Palin.

So the moderate conservatives will have Romney.
The radical conservatives will have Bachman/Palin.

This will splinter the overall right-wing vote enough to allow Obama to keep the throne for four more years.

If there's a mutiny within the Dems and an all-out battle between Hillary and Obama happens.....well, that would just be fun to watch. Then I make a new prediction.

As it stands today though.....see above.

motokid wrote:

As it stands now (which means this is subject to change over time) I see things unfolding like this.

Romney side-shuffles into rep nomination. (The cast of characters is just too "dim-bulb" at this point to have any other ending.
As much as I'd prefer to see Ron Paul taking over I believe he's just not what the heart of the conservative base wants.
I really wish he'd go third party.)

That pisses off the tea party fringe enough to declare themselves a third party which may or may not bring out Palin once again. Regardless, the tea party will puke out a candidate which will probably be Bachman and/or Palin.

So the moderate conservatives will have Romney.
The radical conservatives will have Bachman/Palin.

This will splinter the overall right-wing vote enough to allow Obama to keep the throne for four more years.

If there's a mutiny within the Dems and an all-out battle between Hillary and Obama happens.....well, that would just be fun to watch. Then I make a new prediction.

As it stands today though.....see above.

I'll take this bet. I don't think the tea party people will want to divide the ticket vs. Obama. I don't think Paul will run 3rd party for the same reason.

I hear Rosanne Barr is declaring for the presidency.. that will certainly divide the left, won't it? The extreme left won't be able to resist Rosanne's charms & extreme positions, & poor Obama will not even get a majority in his own party. Think this will happen? The right is not as stupid as you think, either. Job 1 is getting Obama out. Any fiscally responsible person will be a welcome change.. a hopeful change we can believe in.

The only diversion i see that could come up is someone like Trump tossing his hat into the ring.. but he's really a celebrity democrat, not a conservative republican. He might take as many votes from Obama.

And i don't buy this 'I'm an independent, unbiased, pure hearted American who only wants the purest & noblest for my country', shtick. Fess up! You're a liberal who constantly pitches the left wing talking points. Either that or some kind of weird libertarian in denial. Why does the left do this? You're not the only one i know who makes concerted attacks on right wing politicos, yet tries to be above it all if your own views or leanings are questioned.

I do think one of the many weaknesses in the left's views is the arrogance & smug superiority they carry so easily. They think all tea party people are stupid, redneck racists.. or white supremacist nazis. This underestimation will be their downfall in the coming election, as it was in the last one. There are people who think, work, can count, & vote. The slogans, name calling, & ridicule will lose their power, as people grow up & see through the propaganda, double standard, & hypocrisy.

Another weakness i see in the left is the need for a 'messiah'. They are not happy with a mere mortal, but must elevate their leader to divine status. It is then easy for them to find the humanity in the opposition, which the right readily sees, as well. But they are blind to any shortcomings in their anointed One. He is as pure as the driven snow & must not be questioned. His ways are not our ways.. he sees all. He knows all. He knows if you've been naughty or nice.

Most conservatives i know pick the lessor of the evils when voting for candidates. We have no illusions of their moral & intellectual superiority. They are human, & we hope they at least do what they say they're going to do. I don't know how the left keeps from crying themselves to sleep every night as they hear broken promise after broken promise from the man who could almost walk on water. Or was it just the tea party who kept him from doing what he said he would do? Or maybe it was Bush.

Anyway, my prediction is still Romney/Rubio in 2012. You're evidently going to let it ride with Obama, counting on the tea party to go off the deep end & split the ticket. Ok. A possible scenerio. Who would you pick if the right does not split?

rydnseek wrote:

I do think one of the many weaknesses in the left's views is the arrogance & smug superiority they carry so easily.

You are so undeniably and INCREDIBLY blind.
If you can't see that BOTH sides do that EQUALLY as well as the other, you are in complete denial or just totally ignorant about the subject.



Some of the same shit I read you posting is the exact SHIT I hear coming from Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.
Yes - I've listened to those a-holes on the radio. I do read and listen to things that come from various sources. Including some very right wing sources.


The "arrogance" you questioned is perfectly displayed in your own text by you trying to tell me how I think and what I think.



As you have posted before - perhaps it is best you stick to the motorcycle specific threads. Your pictures and videos of Arizona are fabulous. Go back to that.

motokid wrote:

rydnseek wrote:

I do think one of the many weaknesses in the left's views is the arrogance & smug superiority they carry so easily.

You are so undeniably and INCREDIBLY blind.
If you can't see that BOTH sides do that EQUALLY as well as the other, you are in complete denial or just totally ignorant about the subject.

Dish it out but can't take it? Also, you can't reuse my 'denial' word in a response.. come up with your own cutesy insult.

I don't see equality in the 2 sides. You will hear a lot more charges of ignorance, stupidity, redneck, racist, etc from the left, describing the right, than you do the other way around. And i also think you will hear the charge of 'arrogance & smug superiority' directed toward the left more than the right. I don't ever think i've heard you describe the tea party as arrogant. 'Dim' was how you described the repub nominees, iirc. So then you get all huffy when i describe the left as 'arrogant'. I think my description & analysis is closer to the truth. You may not like it, or may disagree, but don't act indignant like i've said something way off the wall.

motokid wrote:

Some of the same shit I read you posting is the exact SHIT I hear coming from Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity.
Yes - I've listened to those a-holes on the radio. I do read and listen to things that come from various sources. Including some very right wing sources.

Guilt by association? I am not surprised if something i've said has been said before. There are very few completely new & unique ideas being expressed in these threads. If you could only say original, never said before, thoughts & ideas, you wouldn't be able to post anything. But i suppose you are implying i do not think out my own views, but only listen or read what the professional right says, then regurgitate it here. The problem with that is the same charge can then be made to you. I can scare up some weird left wing wackos & say you get all your ideas from them. But unlike you, i have not listened to Beck, Hannity, or Limbaugh on the radio. I don't care for talk radio, & i never listen to it. Certainly i've heard clips in the news of what they have said (they do that on msnbc). Do you want to start a thread of analysis of pundits? We can all come up with one liners to describe what we think of each one. I've caught a lot of them here & there, but don't listen to any religiously.

motokid wrote:

The "arrogance" you questioned is perfectly displayed in your own text by you trying to tell me how I think and what I think.

You make it perfectly clear 'what' you think. I am just mystified at 'how' you think it. You don't seem to want to make a point, defend it logically, & debate the counter points, but just snipe at 'gotcha' phrases you see in your opponents' posts. This is what you do. I don't know how you think. I have not been able to engage you in a logical, point by point debate about issues.

motokid wrote:

As you have posted before - perhaps it is best you stick to the motorcycle specific threads. Your pictures and videos of Arizona are fabulous. Go back to that.

I was just getting settled here, too. I thought i offered some variety for you.. a little different take from your exchanges with Jager. ..But maybe i will. These threads are pretty lame. There really is no discussion or reasoning about issues, just one liners, talking points, & regurgitated ideas from professional ideologues. I doubt if much good comes from any of it.. very little entertainment, even less enlightenment. But you started this thread, so i will respect your wishes if you do not want my participation.

rydnseek wrote:

These threads are pretty lame. There really is no discussion or reasoning about issues, just one liners, talking points, & regurgitated ideas from professional ideologues. I doubt if much good comes from any of it..

trav72 wrote:

rydnseek wrote:

These threads are pretty lame. There really is no discussion or reasoning about issues, just one liners, talking points, & regurgitated ideas from professional ideologues. I doubt if much good comes from any of it..

Maybe "NONE OF THE ABOVE" will be on the ballot

Vote Porky! He speaks as well as the other candidates, dresses about the same, but has one advantage over them all: If you don't like him for whatever reason after he's in office, you can always kill him, cook him over a spit and eat him.

motokid wrote:

Romney side-shuffles into rep nomination. (The cast of characters is just too "dim-bulb" at this point to have any other ending.

I would assume that none of them are under the delusion that they've visited 57 states so far and have a few states left to go. Most presumably also know the correct age of their children. They're not the ones whose most common comments are "ah... ah... ah.... ummm... wait a minute... wait a minute... ah.... ah..." when the Teleidiotprompter malfunctions. No, that "dim-bulb" stuff isn't worthy of mention.

I guess "dim-bulb" depends on how selective and biased your view is. Much the same as you can drop your guts over a candidate who actually makes reference to their faith in God - like Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Kennedy, etc did - but not have recorded a single line of comment about a president who continued to go to a church for two decades ran by a racist, anti-semetic preacher, without that president uttering a single word of condemnation or misgivings about what was being said while he was in church. Even a word of concern that the current president is also a regular church goer? Can you imagine their howls of outrage if we found out that one of the Republicans had gone to a church for 20 years led by a preacher regularly given to including racist comments in his sermons to the gathered flock? They'd slobber over the idea of finding out that Bachmann went to that kind of church.

It's the usual hypocrisy that marks the statist and socialist...

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As much as I'd prefer to see Ron Paul taking over I believe he's just not what the heart of the conservative base wants.
I really wish he'd go third party.)

Well that would certainly split the right's voting and ensure a victory for the statists and socialists in the US. It's not like Paul's support would come from people who would otherwise vote Democrat.

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That pisses off the tea party fringe enough to declare themselves a third party which may or may not bring out Palin once again.

Yes, there it is again: the wet dream of the statists and socialists - that the right will split their vote between two other parties.

To statists and socialists, the tea party is a "fringe". The tea party philosophy believes in crazy radical stuff like Taxed Enough Already, small limited government, the Constitution and constitutional government, balanced budgets, and other really crazy stuff. Given their influence in the midterm elections, calling them a "fringe" is leftist propaganda and spin doctoring at best - particularly when the Tea Party can get the kind of turnout at rallies that statists, socialists, and libertarians (faux or otherwise) can only have drug induced fantasies about. 40 years ago they would have been considered mainstream Americans and our resident socialists and statists would have been potential targets for the House Committee on Un-American Activities (as unjust as that Committee was). How would Obama have fared in front of that committee explaining his close relationship with Bill Ayers and Frank Davis?

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So the moderate conservatives will have Romney.
The radical conservatives will have Bachman/Palin.

Ah, the desperation of the statists/socialists - hoping to cash in on the negativity towards Palin by trying to associate her with the GOP candidates even though she has given no indication whatsoever that she will be in the running for president.

It's telling that the statists and socialists reserve the word "radical" for the conservative side of politics. Ever see one of them ever post one line about candidates or politicians they consider to be "the radical liberals"? No, of course not - because to the statists and socialists, it simply isn't possible to take liberalism, socialism, and "progressive" too far to the left. They claim they didn't vote for Obama, don't support Obama, etc - but all of their bile, criticism and attacks are reserved for the right, and the more conservative the greater their animosity. They can say what they want - when you hear the sound of thundering hoofbeats, it isn't coming from zebras no matter what they claim.

Romney is a RINO. He isn't a conservative, much less a moderate conservative. Herman Cain is a moderate conservative. Romney's simply a democrat with a paint job. It's far more accurate to call the author of Romneycare a moderate liberal than a moderate conservative.

He's appealing to the statists and socialists as a "moderate" because he's the closest thing to a Democrat under the Republican banner in the upcoming election. If they don't get their Marxist president back... well, at least Romney is the closet thing to that president from the other party. This is a man, after all, who brought in socialized medicine that punishes those who opt not to buy in, declared himself to be a proud supporter of Massachusetts' gun laws, while cranking up government fees and taxes. Only a statist or a socialist could see that as being a "moderate conservative".

The fact remains that even voting for Romney - or a turnip - is still better than returning our current Marxist for another four years.

My dad told me not to start an open conversation about religion or politics if I didn't want to hear differing opinions. I found this also carries over to other topics as NASCAR, beer, motor oil, and the various health benefits of self gratification. ... Well not really the last one, I threw that one in there to see if anyone was still awake. ...But the list go's on and on. Grow up, and don't take things so personally. Over the years I've figured out that things usually boil down to what side of the elephant you are standing on ... A strong snake on the front... a wide rough textured wall on two pillars, on the sides... and a stinky bristly broom at the back that spews un-thinkable nastiness... its all the same beast but an argument will boil over what an elephant really looks like by people who stood on different sides but never took the time to explore the whole beast. ... Expand your mind ... think outside the box ...

Interesting analogy Indigowolf, and something great to ponder.

I like it a lot.

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US Representative Michele Bachmann, fresh from a victory in a key Republican test vote, said Sunday she would reinstate a ban on gay troops serving openly in the military.

President Barack Obama has certified that the US military is ready to accept gay soldiers, and the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is due to be formally repealed on September 20 after 18 years in force.

But Bachmann, a favorite of the ultraconservative Tea Party movement, said she would revisit the policy if she reaches the White House.

"The 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy has worked very well," she told CNN's "State of the Union."
"I would be in consultation with our commanders, but yes, I probably will" reinstate the ban, she added.

Bigoted twat.........

motokid wrote:

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US Representative Michele Bachmann, fresh from a victory in a key Republican test vote, said Sunday she would reinstate a ban on gay troops serving openly in the military.

President Barack Obama has certified that the US military is ready to accept gay soldiers, and the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is due to be formally repealed on September 20 after 18 years in force.

But Bachmann, a favorite of the ultraconservative Tea Party movement, said she would revisit the policy if she reaches the White House.

"The 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy has worked very well," she told CNN's "State of the Union."
"I would be in consultation with our commanders, but yes, I probably will" reinstate the ban, she added.

Bigoted twat.........

I don't think I'd go as far as using those words to describe her ... but ... I also don't think she will bolster enough support to get to the White House either, let alone have a house and senate attempt to put the tooth paste issue back into the tube once it's out.
The "DADT" policy has worked very well? ... for who? Oh, lets put blinders on, that will help so we don't recognize the obvious. Just don't verbalize what we see as evident and it won't be so. ... ya, that works too. I guess maybe it worked for the morons or at least it pacified them.
I don't want the GLBT to be our next minority group but don't tell me they shouldn't be treated with equal respect. I would certainly have an issue with you over that one.

click me <-- she a bigoted twat that dances just like all the rest when questioned about something specific and knowing it could cost her votes.

She's a typical politician and one that's truly bigoted at least against homosexuality.

awesome <--click me


Hilarious - and sad.


(snipped from advrider)