- rokka wrote:
- No I agreed that GPS is the most creative product from USA that we use. Other vise the most products we came across are crap.
I assume you're not including the Internet, because apparently you think Sweden/Finland had something to do with inventing that as well?
As far as "crap" goes... I wonder how much of the medical technology/drugs used/prescribed in Sweden/Finland were developed in those countries? Versus those that were invented and manufactured in the US?
Maybe the question should be "What was invented in Sweden/Finland that would really affect me if I didn't have it"? Versus "What was invented in the United States that would really affect me if I didn't have it."?
But again, it's not The Enlightenment, but we seem to at least have moved you to acknowledge that perhaps maybe there is something more than Kentucky Fried Chicken coming from America that is useful to a Scandanavian. I guess that's a start.
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- Products like skies winter cloating quads snowmobiles cars outborders etc. People here don’t associate USA with quality products and that has to do with experience. That is a fact.
Winter clothing?
Oh yes... Clothing. Winter. Gore- tex... another example of the US's horrible shortcomings in creativity. Of course, perhaps it is a ripoff of that well known Scandinavian product that we all know preceded it: Nord-tex.
I bet you can't find a quality winter clothing garment made in Sweden/Finland that would sink so low as to include Gore-tex or any similar US-developed permeable fabric. They'd go for Nord-tex, every time - because it's Scandinavian, was invented there first, and is clearly a superior product.
But then, here's another fact: Americans don't associate Scandanavian countries with producing much of anything worth going shopping for in the first place. Which, I suppose, would imply that Americans as a group don't really much care what Swedes or Finns think of products when they don't produce much of anything that the Americans as a group see as being desirable to own or cutting edge technology.
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- Statistics are what you want them to be.
So let's see how this works... You post that you don't have problems with unemployment or export or anything else. I respond with links that show your unemployment rates are just about exactly the same as the US - and Sweden helps those figures out further by exporting your unemployed to other countries (while of course, Mexico and Central American countries do the same as you do: export THEIR unemployed to the US, in the form of illegal immigration). Your rebuttal (so rationally crafted) is to say that "statistics are what you want them to be."
Boy... hard to argue with that!
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- Well I was really not not the one that included Sweden here. You did since the answer from you is to attack the country that I live in in the thread fiscal cliff.
So you're an expatriate Finn off working in Sweden, who steps into a discussion on the US financial situation to offer your Scandanavian view that you think US products are "crappy shit", and in your Scandinavian view the most creative US product is Kentucky Fried Chicken.
But apparently, your Scandinavian frame of reference and domestic products didn't get pulled into the discussion in reference to remarks like that? It isn't relevant what sort of background that kind of assessment is based on?
Oh, okay.
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- Where I live all statistics beat yours and it’s obvious by your and my post.
Funny thing, but when your unemployment statistics are almost identical to the US's, I can't agree with that at all.
Particularly when Sweden is busily exporting their unemployed, while at the same time the US is the unwilling recipient (if you don't count the Democrat brain trust anticipating all those future voters) of South American countries doing the same thing as Sweden - exporting their unemployed and unskilled to the US.
Of course, when you post that the most creative thing from the US is Kentucky Fried Chicken, while busily using GPS and the Internet while utterly oblivious to the fact both were invented in the US - not Sweden or Finland - there's a lot of things made obvious by your posts as well.
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- I’m happy and you are un happy and still I have everything that’s bad in your mind.
No, I'm not unhappy in my lifestyle here at all - I don't even have to live in somebody else's country to make a living, as you are doing. It is true I am unhappy that people would try to diminish my personal freedom to the lower level you have and call it "progress" - and that's the difference. If I weren't happy here, I would move elsewhere. Instead, I choose to stay right where I am and speak out against socialist and statist dogma aimed at changing the political structure of the US through illegitimate means. I will take the time to fight against socialst/statist philosophies that diminish my liberty and freedom.
Not to mention take the time to point out the stupidity of comments that claim the most creative thing to come from the US is Kentucky Fried Chicken... know anybody who would actually say anything as dumb as that? And, sidebar, how insightful and informed would the opinions be of somebody who would say something as dumb as that, anyways?
It will be a frosty day in hell before I will ever abandon the freedom I have here for the nanny state supervision of my life and what I can and can't do that Sweden and Finland offer. If you're happy having Big Momma coddle you from womb to tomb, then good for you - but that's not for me.
And interestingly enough, when the UN commissions polls of potential immigrants and refugees of what country they would most like to end up in, the overwhelming winner and preferred destination country of choice is the US. Sweden, Finland... not even close in the running.
Think they might know something you don't?
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- When you find areas like the south USA in Sweden then you can come back and complain about our statistics and misery.
So a bunch of neo-socialists have established a class of people in the US who think it is the job of the government to guarantee them an economic income. Which is why, in the Bakkan oil fields for example, high paying unskilled labour jobs go begging and unfilled while people sit on their asses elsewhere complaining about their poverty and lack of opportunity. Refusing to move to the job, thoroughly indoctrinated into the socialism model that they're entitled to a comfortable economic income in life provided by government (taxing the crap out of those who WILL work) - it's not something they should have to work for.
When you inflict that kind of misery on yourself, just whose fault is it anyways? Here's my vote: it's the fault of those who sell that line of crap, and the fault of those who buy into that line of crap.
And by the way (crazy thought, I know), a lot of people for reasons of their own, wherever they live in the US, are quite happy to live the lifestyle they have with a low income. To automatically term them as "miserable" based on what their yearly income is, is just a bit more Euro-elitism.
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- But Sweden has that creativity to answer to the demands of our society.
Of course...
There's the Swedish GPS system, meeting the navigational needs of their society.
The Internet (which as we all know was invented by Sweden) meeting the digital communication needs of that society.
The well known Swedish computer operating systems, Microsoft and Apple, meeting the computer needs of that society.
And probably, somewhere, a group of Swedish geniuses trying to reverse engineer Kentucky Fried Chicken so that last dependency on American creativity can finally be done away with...
Unfortunately, elsewhere, Husqvarna and Husaberg have departed for other countries...
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- USA is producing to few things that people in the world wants to buy and spends to much.
Oh God yes, we spend too much. Meaning, we tax too much to try and support spending too much. The cost of all those socialist/statist entitlement programs is overwhelming, but of course you don't see any real cuts in spending proposed there as we view our Fiscal Cliff situation.
There is also a small element of truth in the observation that people don't want to buy American products.
Has any Swede ever paid a single krona to the US for their use of America's GPS system?
Hell no - that's the job of American taxpayers, not elitist Scandinavians.
Has any Swede ever paid a single krona to the US as a royalty fee for their use of the America-developed Internet/TCP-IP technology?
Not a chance, baby.
But then, that's the whole idea of socialism - spending other peoples' money, benefiting from the sweat and creativity of others.
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- Heck i can be head of your finaces beccause i managed my own and the companies economy i gouverned
Personally, when the only thing America produces that you can think of is of use to you is Kentucky Fried Chicken, and you post that using the Internet, probably using a US operating system on your computer... I'd just as soon not let you run the economy. It's hard to imagine anyone being worse than Obama, the Democrats, and the Rinos, but I think you could probably manage that.
So once again, trying to steer you back towards the "fiscal cliff" topic, what do you think of the President continuing to blatantly lie that the US will default on its debt if he doesn't get a debt ceiling increase?
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