I got some more riding in n I dig them. I may rotate them a little forward compared to where I started. I think raising them is the better future option for me. I will say the pivot pegs make a much bigger difference. Most noticeable when you stand up on a bumpy trail... General cool feelin how the bike pivots n ur feet don't feel it. A lot more comfortable and controlled feeling. The bars I like but that's only comparing them to stock... Didn't change as much as the pegs did, and took longer to install... Cost more though.