Tubeliss + (MT43 or Mitas 07)?

I'm about to go Tubeliss and need to decide on a new rear tire. Anyone have experience with both of the tires mentioned in the title?

Main priority is traction in the Ozarks. I.E. Wet, rocky, rooted hills with some mud and sand thrown in here and there.

Any advice especially personal experience will be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Gary

Do you need DOT tires? In other words will you be riding on the street at all?

My buddy has ran the MT43 rear out here in GA but some of the mud and sand we would hit had him pulling off that tire in favor of a D606 or TR8 rear.

Sounds like the terrain you will be hitting has some pretty good variety to it so it may be down to finding the best compromise.

If we are going to be hitting sloppy rocky stuff out here and not a lot of pavement I run a Pirelli XCMH rear and a XCMS front. They are DOT approved and work pretty well in the slop but don' last very long on the pavement.

Yes they need to be DOT as I'll be traveling the road to get to the trails etc. I have two sets of wheels so they don't have to be the longest lasting tires since I run Shinko 705 for commuting etc. The other wheels will cary the more off road oriented for planned excursions and exploration so I guess these don't HAVE to be DOT.    

I agree that compromises will have to be made. I will see more wet rock and roots than mud but I don't want to get bummed out when I see the occasional stretch of mud if you know what I mean?

Gravelin Gary wrote:

Yes they need to be DOT as I'll be traveling the road to get to the trails etc. I have two sets of wheels so they don't have to be the longest lasting tires since I run Shinko 705 for commuting etc. The other wheels will cary the more off road oriented for planned excursions and exploration so I guess these don't HAVE to be DOT.    

I agree that compromises will have to be made. I will see more wet rock and roots than mud but I don't want to get bummed out when I see the occasional stretch of mud if you know what I mean?

Well if you really want DOT tires you need to remember that the Tubeliss system is not recommended for the highway nor DOT approved.

As far as the tires go, I suspect you will be ok with the MT43. If you hit some big mud holes just look for ways around rather than going through.

rsteiger wrote:

Well if you really want DOT tires you need to remember that the Tubeliss system is not recommended for the highway nor DOT approved.

DOT rating is for tires only. Inner tubes are not "DOT approved".

rsteiger wrote:

Well if you really want DOT tires you need to remember that the Tubeliss system is not recommended for the highway nor DOT approved.

As far as the tires go, I suspect you will be ok with the MT43.  If you hit some big mud holes just look for ways around rather than going through.

A lot of Tubeliss reviews indicate plenty of road use without any problems. Seems the disclaimer is for liability concerns more than anything.

Still would like to hear from anyone who has experience with either of these tires on a WRR with Tubeliss setup.

So did you go with the Tubliss?

Why are so many people hung up on whether or not it's been blessed by the DOT?

Jerry S wrote:

Why are so many people hung up on whether or not it's been blessed by the DOT?

For fear that Tubliss may not be able to withstand elevated temperatures that result from extended high speed runs on the highway. This is the same problem that afflicts mousse inserts, and the reason why mousse are not supposed to be used on asphalt: they melt under these conditions.

johnkol wrote:

Jerry S wrote:

Why are so many people hung up on whether or not it's been blessed by the DOT?

For fear that Tubliss may not be able to withstand elevated temperatures that result from extended high speed runs on the highway. This is the same problem that afflicts mousse inserts, and the reason why mousse are not supposed to be used on asphalt: they melt under these conditions.

Ya that's interesting, the idea of running a low-pressure knobbies on the highway at high speeds for extended periods of time didn't occur to me.

I've ran non-dot wheels and tires on all kinds of race vehicles for the last 20 years and never worried about the DOT rating or the speed rating.

Our race team has had mixed results with mousses, we destroyed a set while doing the Best in the Desert, Vegas to Reno after 500 miles, but I'm hearing about some teams getting twice that mileage under the same conditions.