Puppy needs a name... ideas?

The last year has been a tough one for us. Aside from losing my mother and father just a few months apart, we also lost my Jäger, and a few weeks ago, our rescue Griff Piper. Got so I was afraid to get out of bed in the morning.

After losing Jags and Piper (and Holly Dolly the year before), my wife Les still had Kiren The Little Beer dog, a puppy out of Jags:





but I had pretty much decided no more puppies for me. For me, losing them is like l imagine losing a kid would be, and I figured I'd had about enough. Lots of friends have lots of great dogs to pet and scratch their ears.

Of course, the essential problem with this is it assumes the wife is going to go with the program.

The short story is there is now another Griff puppy in the family. Well, not quite a puppy anymore, he's six months old:







One minor problem: he doesn't have a name yet except "Blue". Now who the hell would name a Wirehaired Pointing Griffon "Blue"??? Don't work.

Pups are usually easy to name after watching them bumbling around the house the first couple of days after they come home. This little guy, however, we didn't have that opportunity. I've seen enough of him to know he's absolutely psychotic for birds, so good that we're probably taking him out for his first Sharpie and pheasant hunt within a few days. He's almost steady to point, for crying out loud. But, not a lot to give insight to his personality just yet.

So he needs his goofy registered name and a call name.

The registered name has to start with Sapphire because of the Montana kennel he is out of. That shouldn't be too hard as I don't much care about that. Sapphire Alpine Lakes, Sapphire Kootenay Thumper... whatever.

But I am absolutely blanking on a call name for the little guy. His Dad's name is Jock... hmmm. He's kind of incredibly self possessed for a puppy. How about "Laird"?

Anyways, thought you might enjoy the pics. Feel free to suggest names. But with dogs in my past named "Leben", "Jäger", etc, names like "Bob", "Pal", etc don't cut it. Dogs are dignified, classy characters most humans could take lessons on that from, and they deserve nothing less than a name that fits that.

starbuck
killian
paul
james (jamie)
brimley

You Should Name Him SWAGGER!

He kinda looks like a CHARLIE too!

I dont know why, but I think about a book I read (again) recently "Graceling" by Kristin Cashore. Gracelings are persons who are graced with a special talents. A graceling also has different color eyes (one eye is a color different than the other) which is how you know someone is graced. What ever their talent (fighting, hunting, cooking,..) they are very gifted in it. Poe is the main male character who has a special talent (no spoilers here) and for some reason when you mentioned how talented your puppy is with hunting and the eyes in the photos, I thought of the name "Poe"

My uncle has a Wired Hair Pointing Griffen.....

So he named him Griff.

Rambo !


That kind of dogs are wery popular around here. A lot of people hunt birds with them. I dont know the name of bird in english but in sami language its Giron witch is the name of my home town. Famous grouse whisky botles have a picture of that bird. I think Rambo would be the name that fits both dog and owner

Is it a Drahthaar or a Korthals.

That could give a clue as a German or French name.

Ding

3KGT_Maddness wrote:

My uncle has a Wired Hair Pointing Griffen.....

So he named him Griff.

Funny that... about 20% of the Griffs out there are named Griff...

I didn't call my Chesapeakes back when I was a waterfowler "Chess" either - but I knew guys who did.

Along with lots of "Coco", "Rusty", etc.

I think there's already enough "Griff"'s being called out there.

Jäger wrote:

Funny that... about 20% of the Griffs out there are named Griff...

I didn't call my Chesapeakes back when I was a waterfowler "Chess" either - but I knew guys who did.

Along with lots of "Coco", "Rusty", etc.

I think there's already enough "Griff"'s being called out there.

Funny that... We actually had a Chesapeake also. Her name was Leah though. Called her "Red Dog"

rokka wrote:

Rambo !

Agghhhhhh!

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That kind of dogs are wery popular around here. A lot of people hunt birds with them. I dont know the name of bird in english but in sami language its Giron witch is the name of my home town. Famous grouse whisky botles have a picture of that bird.

The bird on the bottle is the red grouse.

We don't have red grouse here, but we do have ruffed grouse, spruce grouse, blue grouse, and sharptailed grouse.

In fact, I'm about to take off to introduce the little fella to grouse hunting this weekend.

You have a lot of Griffs over there? That's interesting!

2goose wrote:

Ding

Followed by "dong", I suppose...

Current potential names, with Laird front running:
Laird - lord
Alpin - blond (check the 'stache)
Broc - badger (he's a digger, gotta fix that)
Vika - from the creek (well, we can't keep him out of it)
Lach - lives by a lake (well, we do)
Kin - from the top of the cliff (yeah, we live by them too)
Lachlan - warring (nah, don't know why that one popped up)
Wilda - untamed (hmmmm... bad scoobies)

Gotta get out of here and out after them birds.

Well maybe i am wrong. We had dogs like that in the family but we call them worster.

http://www.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hojtskennel.com/bilder/Damw.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hojtskennel.com/avkommor_terve.htm&usg=__jBb-8EJ5QgElJYNNGLdf_TPyPJc=&h=167&w=250&sz=5&hl=sv&start=53&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=789ZzwKJdsjDQM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3DKiruna%2B%252B%2Bripjakt%26start%3D42%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ACAW_sv___SE359%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1

rokka wrote:

Well maybe i am wrong. We had dogs like that in the family but we call them worster.

Okay, you win, I'm screwed on that one.

I have no idea what breed of dog that is, but it isn't a Griff.

The tail isn't docked, but of course a lot of moronic European countries no longer allow docking tails of puppies. I've seen two European Griffs with undocked tails - both always had problems with their tails because of frantically hammering their tails against branches and stuff while working bird scent in heavy cover. One finally ended up with her tail docked as an adult - no fun for the dog, but the ulcerating sores from injuries to her tail were worse. The old boys didn't dock puppies' tails as a matter of looking cool or to get approval from a kennel club. It was a pragmatic thing for the dog. Odd they allow the dewclaws to be removed in the pup's best interests but not docking their tails surgically at the same time.

But, that's the touchy-feel-y socialist state for you; I digress.

So it isn't a Griff, but I'm not sure what it is.

Might be a Cesky Fousek, a Czech breed.

Do you have an English translation for the breed name for me?

Here's your basic Griff - my beloved Jaeger:











Time to go hunting!

It is the same kind of dog. I am sure Because we have a tradition of hunting Giron and a lot of people cross coutry ski with worsters they are wery popular here. Our dog was a wery strong personality He would eat my sandwich from the table even if he knew that it was forbidden He would take a hit or 2 He payd the price every time It was worth it for him. As a hunter he was unbeliveble. When my sister was walking with him on the mountains beside our house he could catch Grouse birds that hide in the bushes.
My sister that did not like him to kill birds was mad like a thunder cloud when she came home with a dead bird in one hand and Falco the dog in the other Basicly the dog did everything with style , he got beaten with style hunted with style and was a belowed member of our family.

rokka wrote:

It is the same kind of dog. I am sure Because we have a tradition of hunting Giron and a lot of people cross coutry ski with worsters they are wery popular here.

Nope, those are Wirehaired German Pointers (in English), according to one of the kennels on that page you gave. Black noses on some of them - which is never found on a Griffon. And they don't have the same head furnishings.

I really gotta get out of here.

I like Blue. Yup, that's my vote.
Nice bird by the way. If you decide to use one of the names suggsted by one of the inmates. Do they get a guided pheasent hunt? I could be on the next plane out. With my trusty Remington 870. ( I procrastinated too long to get me a Ruger Gold Label.)

Actually the griffon wire haired is the Korthals. The Drahthaar is the german wire haired pointer. Both are griffons but from different sources.

It's difficult to differenciate both races. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/GermanWirehrPtr1_wb.jpg

Here is a picture of a german

And a picture of a french http://www.alix-griffon-korthals.fr/public/base/Alix_des_Lys_du_Bois_en_pied.jpg

They look pretty much alike but the standard of the german is slightly taller than the french. The individuals are hard to differenciate especially if they are groomed the same way.

If you ever want to breed your dog try this place http://www.griffonfeufollet.com/. Eventhough their dogs are good at the showroom they are from working lineage.

I have a friend that own one and his dog is fabulous both as family dog and hunting partner. Easily trained to point, flush and retrieve.

It's name is Elvis. Not my friend, the dog.

How about an English name such as D-O-G (pronounced dee-ohh-gee).

Dancamp wrote:

Actually the griffon wire haired is the Korthals. The Drahthaar is the german wire haired pointer. Both are griffons but from different sources.

It's difficult to differenciate both races. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/GermanWirehrPtr1_wb.jpg

Here is a picture of a german

And a picture of a french http://www.alix-griffon-korthals.fr/public/base/Alix_des_Lys_du_Bois_en_pied.jpg

They look pretty much alike but the standard of the german is slightly taller than the french. The individuals are hard to differenciate especially if they are groomed the same way.

If you ever want to breed your dog try this place http://www.griffonfeufollet.com/. Eventhough their dogs are good at the showroom they are from working lineage.

I have a friend that own one and his dog is fabulous both as family dog and hunting partner. Easily trained to point, flush and retrieve.

It's name is Elvis. Not my friend, the dog.

I think that you are right. Here are more pics.

http://www.google.se/images?um=1&hl=sv&tbs=isch:1&&sa=X&ei=RpmdTNmaK8LxObfu4K0L&ved=0CB8QBSgA&q=vorstehhund&spell=1

dc4stroke wrote:

I like Blue. Yup, that's my vote.
Nice bird by the way. If you decide to use one of the names suggsted by one of the inmates. Do they get a guided pheasent hunt?

No winners.

We went with "Laird". Sounds a little bit awkward to my wife for the time being, but it came closest to describing what we have seen in him so far. He does give the appearance of being lord of all he surveys as he parades around the house. "Ghillie" was in second place, but we already have Kiren The Little Beer Dog and Holly Dolly Devil Dog, it didn't take much imagination to see where "Ghillie" would lead to in short order in this house...

However, if you happen to be in Montana at the right time... there's enough pheasants and sharpies for everybody...

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I could be on the next plane out. With my trusty Remington 870. ( I procrastinated too long to get me a Ruger Gold Label.)

A Ruger? Hmmmmfffff. You'll have to do better than that. You're in Superposed country, boy!

Besides, "Ruger" is a cussword around here after he sold the semiautomatic rifle crowd out while protecting his POS Mini-14. No Ruger's allowed - besides, there's better firearms to be had out there anyways.

If you're a SxS man, I do have my grandfather's old Davis box lock, built sometime just after the turn of the century. Even found an old ad for it, circa bout 1920:
Davis HY-POWER chambered for 3” shells, kills ducks at 80 yds. Made in 12 gauge only, 30 and 32” barrels. Price $35.00.
Record of 21 successive wing shots and 21 killings have been made with one of these guns.
These guns are highly finished. REMEMBER you need not pay over $35.00 for a Long Range Duck Gun if you select a Davis. Every Davis Gun, whether lowest or highest priced, is proof tested with an excessive load. Davis Guns were established in 1853 by N. R. Davis and are going stronger than ever in 1920. This 72 years of service and durability should mean something to every gun buyer. N.R. Davis - as good as it gets!

$35! Kills 'em dead at 80 yards! OMG!



It hasn't seen use since Dad quit hunting ducks and geese, probably 30 years ago. He always used to take the Davis out instead of his Superposed. Never could understand that when I was young and stupid. Now, with a new pup, the Davis is going out when pheasant season opens and Laird the seven month old pup is going to get the first pheasants shot over him by a shotgun close to a century old. Now I understand why my Dad hunted with his Dad's shotgun - and why I'll be taking the Davis out this year, since Dad died in January. There's a long chain of family and dogs that reaches back there...

Dancamp wrote:

Actually the griffon wire haired is the Korthals.

I know - I think I mentioned that already, didn't I?

Yes, I did:

Jäger wrote:

Korthals was indeed the originator of the breed, but he was a Dutch guy who developed the breed under the patronage of a German in Germany.

I think that was in response to a comment about this Griff pup possibly being a French breed - which it isn't, although it is popular there, and in parts of Quebec. You could call it a Dutch breed because it was developed by a Dutchman, or you could argue it is a German breed because the foundation kennel the breed was developed from was in Germany. You could even argue that it is now an American breed because the breed was rescued from near extinction by an American Lt Col and a handful of other US servicemen who brought a selection of purebreds from Germany at the end of WWII and resurrected the breed. The Griff was first recognized by the American Kennel Club in 1887, Korthals formed the first international Griff breed club in Mainz, Germany in 1888, and the Belgian kennel club recognized the breed shortly afterwards in 1895. The Griff was not recognized in France until after the turn of the century. Given the nationality of Korthals, the country in which the breed was developed, the countries where the breed was first recognized, one thing it isn't is a French breed.

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The Drahthaar is the german wire haired pointer. Both are griffons but from different sources.

The word "Griffon" is generic within dog breeds. A Drahthaar is no more close to being a Wirehaired Pointing Griffon than a Brussells Griffon is. The word "griffon" is descriptive of a type of appearance, not of similarity of background.

And thus, we have the Cesky Fousek (Barbu tchèque, Böhmisch Rauhbart, Bohemian Wire-haired Pointing Griffon, Grif¢n de muestra Bohemio de pelo duro), Griffon à poil laineux, (Griffon Boulet, Französischer Wollhaariger Griffon, French Woolly-haired Pointing Griffon, Grifón de muestra de pelo lanoso, Francés, Spinone Italiano, Chien d’arrêt Italien à poil dur, Italienischer Rauhhaariger Vorstehhund, Italian Wire-haired Pointing Dog, Perro de muestra Italiano de pelo duro, Griffon d’arrêt à poil dur (Korthals, Französischer Rauhhaariger Vorstehhund, French Wire-haired Pointing Griffon, Grifón de muestra de pelo duro).

And those are just the hunting griffons.

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It's difficult to differenciate both races. They look pretty much alike but the standard of the german is slightly taller than the french. The individuals are hard to differenciate especially if they are groomed the same way.

They might seem difficult to tell apart to someone not familiar with the breeds, but for those who own Griffs (or Drahthaars), they are very, very different. And while the Drat might be German, the Griffon most certainly isn't French. But we've covered that.

Drats are noticeably bigger, for starters. Unfortunately, the dog show folks with their "bigger is better" mentality are pushing Griffs well over the breed standard. One other obvious difference is that Griffs have a double coat with a thick downy undercoat, which Drats don't have. Drats have wider heads than Griffs and longer muzzles, and their heads are not as rounded as a Griffs. Drats have eyes that are more oval, while Griffs eyes are rounder. Griffs can have yellow eyes; Drats aren't supposed to have yellow eyes. And Drats have floppier lips than Griffs.

Griffs frequently slink up on birds they haven't gotten locked down on a hard point, not unlike the way you see a lion or cheetah sidle along while stalking close to prospective prey. That is one reason they were often originally referred to as "Korthals cats". I've never seen a Drat do that.

Perhaps most of all, Griffs are noticeably different in how much more friendlier they are to people than Drats. They're also a lot more biddable, and most trainers and people who work with them in NAVHDA clubs will tell you Griffs are a lot more intelligent - to a fault.

I've seen a lot of Drats I liked, but I've never felt they were similar to Griffs other than in general appearance.

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If you ever want to breed your dog try this place http://www.griffonfeufollet.com/. Eventhough their dogs are good at the showroom they are from working lineage.

I've never had a problem breeding my Griffs that I chose to breed the last 20 years. Jaeger was bred to the 2007 AWPGA National Winners Bitch, and Kiren is the result of that. And I'm familiar with that kennel, they have a respectable reputation, but the way they're going is not what I have in mind. I pay a lot more attention to the kennels that are focused on NAVHDA; I've watched too many people put dog show championships on their dogs simply by putting the dog on the road long enough.

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I have a friend that own one and his dog is fabulous both as family dog and hunting partner. Easily trained to point, flush and retrieve.

Sounds like a Griff...

Altough it true that Khortal is the founder of the race and that he did it in Germany, the actual standard has been developped in France. Now it is considered a french race because that's where most of it's developpment has been made since the beginning of the 20th century. In a century it might be in Canada if there is more activities on this race here than in France.

If you search under french griffon all references are pointing to the Khorthal. The griffon that is recognized as the dutch is pretty close to the german wirehaired pointer. They call it the Deutsch Drahtaar or DD. Both the german and deutsh are highly energetic dogs not made for everyone as they are as easiky trainable as the Khorthal. I hunted with a friend that owns a Korthal. I own a Lab and uses it to explore the ground and to retrieve. I found the Khortal to be a closer hunter than my Lab or any other pointer that I saw before eccept the Brittany. It is a plus in close cover. Here we don't have pheasant, we concentrate on grooses, partridges and woodcocks. The Khortal is much more versatile than the Lab. The Lab surpases it just for retrieving in cold water.

Here are the standards in Canada.Wired-Haired pointing griffon

German wire-haired pointer.

And take no offense Jager if I suggested a kennel. There are a lot of good one all across the world and I didn't mean to imply that the one I proposed is the best. It is just that I know some dogs that came from the place and they are all very good hunting dogs.

As for the size of the dogs it's a plague for all lareg races. That's what started to amplify the occurence of hip displasia and other growth related malformations. The german sheppard is the best example. We often see specimens weighting close to 100 pounds which is far from the standards.