Attitude EFI Progammer - Settings Help

So I got my unit installed. It works enough to send gas and air to the motor. I guess the standard mode it starts in is a default almost factory program? The green light blinking in the number one light.

When I press the mode button different color lights start blinking in different numbers.

Is there some rhyme or reason that's easily defined as to what I'm seeing?

The tutorial on the Attitude Industries web pages looks a bit different than what I'm seeing on my unit.

I did remove the flapper solenoid and glue down the flapper. Other than that I've not made any changes.

Forgive the messy garage. I'd rather ride than clean....

I dicked around with it a bit...couldn't help myself.....

So now after I turn on the bike and the start sequence of flashing lights settles down I see two green lights on in positions 1&2.

What does that mean?

I was hoping to start off with the programmer in "yellow" mode for acceleration.

Should I be seeing a steady yellow light in position one if I get it right?

Some general instructions on how to use this unit would be really great....even if it costs $10 bucks more to get them.

Thanks,

I'll be out of town for the next 3 days. I'll try to work through some "programming" over the 4th of July weekend.

Any more hints or tips would be great.

I emailed Derek too. Hopefully he can send some tips too.

I'd love to hear from others who use this EFI unit.

whats the hose on the box for?

It's a breather hose.

SheWolf wrote:

It's a breather hose.

For what? Does this unit build up pressure or vacuum inside and need to breath for some reason? Looks like the same basic case setup as the FMF programmer. Isn't it just a circuit board inside? I don't get the need for a breather hose.

motokid wrote:

I don't mean to get off topic, but why don't you remove the rest of the flapper stuff? It's dead weight without the flapper. Take off that solenoid and vacuum can and cap off the vacuum nipple on the throttle body. It won't throw any codes if you leave the plug for the solenoid unplugged. Just tuck it under the rest of the wiring out of the way and then you have more room under the seat for other mods, or a small tool bag.

Well, considering the design of the original box was for sleds, I would imagine this is why the breather hose was incorporated into the design. They tend to see a lot of moisture so I'm assuming that this is just a carry-over from that original design.

SheWolf wrote:

Well, considering the design of the original box was for sleds, I would imagine this is why the breather hose was incorporated into the design. They tend to see a lot of moisture so I'm assuming that this is just a carry-over from that original design.

I'll buy that.

mwakey wrote:

I don't mean to get off topic, but why don't you remove the rest of the flapper stuff? It's dead weight without the flapper. Take off that solenoid and vacuum can and cap off the vacuum nipple on the throttle body. It won't throw any codes if you leave the plug for the solenoid unplugged. Just tuck it under the rest of the wiring out of the way and then you have more room under the seat for other mods, or a small tool bag.

Two things really.

1) I ran out of time to do anything else. I got the unit late Friday evening. There were no intructions with it so I had to wait for Shewolf to inform me on what went where. Then....I left town and did not get home until last night.

2) I did not know what I could remove, and what should stay. So, for the sake of time...I just got the thing installed and checked to see if my bike still ran. That's all I've done so far.

Well, removing the AIS plumbing will give you a bit more space under the seat. It was enuf for me to be able to stuff the ECU right down in there next to the frame and the battery box, which left the space where the ECU went open for the controller.

SheWolf wrote:

Well, removing the AIS plumbing will give you a bit more space under the seat. It was enuf for me to be able to stuff the ECU right down in there next to the frame and the battery box, which left the space where the ECU went open for the controller.

Hate to correct you Wolf, but the flapper stuff under the seat is not part of the AIS. The AIS is a separate system under the left shroud.


motokid:
The infamous "flapper" is really just one part of the intake solenoid. The system consists of the electrical solenoid, the small vacuum holding tank, and the diaphram on top of the airbox that controls the "flapper". You can safely remove all this stuff and screw/glue down the flapper. The only other thing you need to do is disconnect the vacuum hose to the throttle body and cap off the fitting on the throttle body.

The AIS (Air Induction System), is a control valve under the left shroud that has the chrome pipe that goes to the front of the head near the exhaust port. It also has a hose that goes to the right front side of the airbox near the airbox door hinges. It can safely be removed too. But it is only advised to remove it if you have an after market exhaust. If you have the stock pipe you need the AIS or else it will ruin the CC in your pipe. The AIS is basically an air pump like polution control system that injects air into the exhaust for a cleaner burn. To remove the AIS, just unplug it and remove the control valve. Buy or fabricate a plate to block the hole in the front of the head, and then put a rubber 1/2" cap on the fitting on the airbox. Chuck the control valve, hose, and chrome pipe in your junk box with the rest of your take offs. Done deal.

mwakey wrote:

motokid:
The infamous "flapper" is really just one part of the intake solenoid. The system consists of the electrical solenoid, the small vacuum holding tank, and the diaphram on top of the airbox that controls the "flapper". You can safely remove all this stuff and screw/glue down the flapper. The only other thing you need to do is disconnect the vacuum hose to the throttle body and cap off the fitting on the throttle body.

I got the flapper glued down. You can see the silicone just a bit in the pictures.
I did seal off the vacuum tube that attached to the round silvery canister that actuatted the flapper.


I assume you mean I should trace that vacuum line back to the throttle body and remove everything in that path.

What's the best way to "cap" that off at the throttle body?

Thanks for the help. I should have time to get back to working on this over the weekend.
Just been too busy these last few days to do anything.

motokid wrote:

I assume you mean I should trace that vacuum line back to the throttle body and remove everything in that path.

What's the best way to "cap" that off at the throttle body?

Exactly. Remove everything in the path. You can either cap off the throttle body the hard way or the easy way. The hard way is to remove the fuel tank and put a cap on the fitting directly on the throttle body. The easy way is to remove everything in the path as above UP TO where it goes under the fuel tank, then plug the hose at that point. Same results either way.

Thanks. That's what I was thinking. I don't mind removing the tank. It's pretty stinking easy.

As for the settings....I am now starting to understand what people mean when they post number like:

1.5, 2.5, 1.0, 8.0, 4.0, 4.5

Without any instructions it's not intuitive at first, but now, after reading through many threads here I'm getting it.
Can't wait to start messing around with things this weekend.

Just to get it "officially" logged for my personal education. In the sequence above:

The 1.5 is the setting for the green mode
The 2.5 is the setting for the yellow mode
The 1.0 is the setting for the red mode
and so on.

Correct?

Anybody remember or know if there's a "factory" setting from Attitude? Are they all set at .5 right out of the box?

Since most of you using the Attitude seem to be on R's would you think the settings should change much for a X owner?
One who spends 99% of the time on the street?

Yes, in the example of:
1.5, 2.5, 1.0, 8.0, 4.0, 4.5

The 1.5 is the setting for the green mode
The 2.5 is the setting for the yellow mode
The 1.0 is the setting for the red mode
etc.


As for applicability between the models, both the X and the R have the same engine. It is the engine, intake system, and exhaust as well as sample to sample engine variations that affect the tuning. The type of riding doesn't really affect it. Altitude may affect the tuning as there is some debate weather or not the stock ECU corrects for air density.

Um...actually what I was talking about IS part of the AIS.



All those things I've pointed to are part of the AIS. Without that stuff, that flapper wouldn't move. Red was the one who pointed it out to me that once you remove the actual unit from behind the shroud and disconnect the flapper, that's all part of the same system.

Just going by the service manual which only shows the stuff under the left shroud as being the Air Induction System (AIS). Look at pages 7.9 - 7.12 in the manual. Nothing in there about the flapper or any of that stuff under the seat.

This was straight from the tech, not the manual. HE said remove it, so it went bai bai.

More removal...





used the section of tubing from other end, and some electrical tape to plug off airbox end


made my own plate - will get something better once I get back to work next week.
But this will allow me to ride all weekend.


Have I gotten everything from the Airbox and AIS perspective without getting into fabricating my own
new parts?

Instead of the taped off piece of hose on the airbox, just get a 1/2" rubber cap from the auto parts store. And it looks like you taped off the tiny hose that goes under the tank to the throttle body. You might want to put some kind of plug in that hose instead of just taping off the end. You might get a vacuum leak that if it's not sealed up good. The rest looks fine. Your block off plate on the head will do just fine. I would leave it.

Great job! I await your next mod.

Next mod would be a Q4 slip-on.

That's gonna wait though. I want MX boots so I can get some dirt time in at the local MX track.
They have an all-terrain section that looks perfect for getting some experience off-road.

This is a very good info thread about what I need to do to remove the crap & program my FMF programer. Now where are my reading glasses?

Wish one of you tech types had made a video for us tards........