Religion - which one is "the best"?

A few quick responses to Jager:

1) I put that link in this thread because there's no need for more than one fucked-up religious debate/conversation at this particular forum.

2) I might take more jabs at Christianity than other religions, but that's because that's the religion I have to most knowledge of, and exposure to.

3) For Taoist, you give if you can. Period.

[quote="Captain Midnight"]

0007onWR wrote:

Much too provocative a thread
People who believe are just as hard to change as people who don't
Who know's, maybe their right an I'm wrong.?
I think where it get's lost is in the fundementals like explaining the dinosaur
Heck there are stars in the sky that produced light (that is just arriving here now) before the bible says good took a day off
When I hear that stuff it just doesn't make sense and takes way too much faith for me
There's a bit of a trap, they can't make a bible version 2.0 cuz that would mess things up bad
It also does not explain Budda or any of the other religions that existed before Christianity
Anyway, to each their own, believing does not mean you are an idiot but trying to force your beliefs on others just might mean that, that goes both ways
If I'm wrong I'm gonna eat crow at the pearly gates, if i'm right, I won't be able to tell you[/quote]

So call on Jesus to come into your heart, and show you He is real. To take away all doubt. Then you can live your life with confidence, knowing that Jesus is Lord of all.

Dude, you don't get that some people just don't believe in this, think of it like this
I don't like fish either, it doesn't matter how you cook it, I still don't want it

omg +100 on that Red.

we need an emoticon with a fishing bobber or a lure

SheWolf wrote:

omg +100 on that Red.

Like this?



Or this?



Or....this?

GREAT!

SheWolf wrote:

Like this?



Or this?



Or....this?

motokid wrote:

@ Jager:

Why are you so defensive?

I'm not the defensive one... you're the one going "show me where I said that". Am I the one pointing out where you say you see Christians as "really bizarre and hypocritical" and then follow up when one responds to that by saying their posts seem intended to "incite direct and emotional rebuttal"? Yeah, that would be me pointing that out. You poke around until they respond to you, then complain about it.

I don't get why you feel so obligated to bait Christians all the time. Starting right from your very first post - you being the one who started this thread, if you'll recall.

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1) I put that link in this thread because there's no need for more than one fucked-up religious debate/conversation at this particular forum.

Oh, okay. It makes sense now. You started the ORIGINAL "fucked up thread". Then, seeing how "fucked up" it was, you just couldn't stand to see it die. So instead of putting your little YouTube bit over in video, or it's own separate thread, you wanted to revive THIS "fucked up" thread, bring it back to life.

Got it.

Of course, if you see it as "fucked up", and the likelihood that your post would lead to yet more "fucked up", we are left with the following question grasshopper (do you Taoists talk like that?):
- If you felt what you were going to post was going to lead to more "fucked up", then why in the hell did you post it in the first place?

My guess. Because you enjoy taking jabs at Christians, and you really don't care whether a thread is "fucked up" or not, as long as you can get your jollies.

What does Taoism say about trying to annoy people because you don't share their beliefs?

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2) I might take more jabs at Christianity than other religions, but that's because that's the religion I have to most knowledge of, and exposure to.

Odd you should describe yourself as closest to being a Taoist and yet think you have more knowledge of Christianity than your own belief system.

More importantly, pretty much everyone else here has been discussing their own beliefs. You run around calling people out for what they believe, but you don't have the parts to lay out your quasi-Taoist beliefs where somebody else might give you some of your own treatment. Perhaps they might ask you whether you're one of those Taoists who believes you can conserve your Jing and live longer through conserving your semen? Or talk with the dead? Or what about the Taoist sects that advocate men have sex with virgins under the age of 14?

Your shtick of baiting Captain Midnight (and then claiming his replies are "intended to incite direct and emotional rebuttal") is getting old. It's allowed, because this is Off Topic, but it is what it is. He's pretty consistent and predictable in what he believes, whether you agree with that or not, so nothing new here. So if you want to keep starting this "fucked up thread" again, next time why don't you do what everybody else has done - stick your neck out a little bit and post what you believe. Then we'll all see just how logical your beliefs are compared to.... oh... Christianity.

After all, if it's good enough for Captain Midnight and the other unabashed Christians here, surely it's good enough for you, right?

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3) For Taoist, you give if you can. Period.

Hmmmm... I'll just Google that right up: Taoists aid Japan

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Nothing.

They're either all poor as church mice without exception. Or diligently practicing their art of doing nothing.

Jager, it is clear to me, after going back and quickly scanning most of this thread, that you have either not read, forgotten, or you simply chose to ignore much of what’s been posted.

SheWolf wrote:

Well, I for one will be attending a metaphysical fair coming up in a couple of weeks with my wiccan/pagan/shamanic sisters/brothers, all proceeds going to fund Japan relief for Vernon's sister city, Tome.

Friends of mine have taken their kids to religeous gatherings for 6 or 7 different religions, including wiccan.
The parents are atheists, but want their kids to make their own decisions.

That's very refreshing instead of the usual 'MY religion is RIGHT, yours is WRONG LA LA LA LA, I can't hear you!'

I'll gladly discuss religion in person with anyone who is interested in my views, not converting me to theirs.

To be honest, I was (well, my mother tried, but yeah... )raised Catholic. I did the Sunday school thing up until I was about 5, and was booted out. Even at that age, something just didn't feel right, and when we were all supposed to read excerpts from the bible, I got frustrated. Couldn't understand the jibberish in there, and ended up throwing it at the pastor.

Long story short, I just never felt 'right' with it. I was 'different,' I guess in the sense that I didn't follow the status quo with Christianity, catholic, Mormon, or any of the mainstream religions. I felt totally out of place. I had friends at that age who were Wiccan/pagan, but back then it was like omfg witch! Devil worshipper! Satanic cult! But I not once ever experienced bad or ill will from any of these people, their parents, friends, whatever. I did not ever hear them ONCE preach to me about their gods/goddesses; they merely informed me of what they believed, but ONLY WHEN I ASKED. This was/is the one thing that irritates me more about the Christian/Catholic/Mormon/JW faiths. All of them at some point or another have come to the door preaching their beliefs. I am a firm believer of the 'let it be' rule. If I want to join up with whatever faith/religion/belief, I'll do it on my own, I don't need a couple of suits knocking at my door telling me that I'll be damned to hell because I didn't listen to their sermons. It's like that joke I was sent a while ago about 'what do you get when you cross a JW with a biker? Someone that comes to your door and tells YOU to fuck off.' But I digress.

I still don't really 'follow' any actual religion. I have been dabbling in the wiccan/pagan theologies for a while, but haven't really 'converted.' My path is more of a shamanic one, if you want to call it that. I've always had a close bond with animals, nature, and ever since I was little, kids would come to me for help, and that carried on right into adulthood. I have always stuck up for the underdog, when needed, and I get shot down for it a lot. But I don't care. If I can help someone out, and make their life better, what's so wrong with that? If my kid wants to become a Mormon, that's fine...he can do that when he's old enough to actually understand what any of this means. He's free to choose whatever path he wants when he's an adult.

I just don't agree with individuals who press the issue that THEIR way is THE WAY. Give me a fucking break.

It's fun to hear what every one thinks about religions. The question about which one is the best is incomplete. Every religion refers to a path. A path starts somewhere and goes somewhere else. Since not everyone start at the same place, it's perfectly understandable that what is the best for one is not the best for another one.

Every time I read arguments for a religion or another the references are the rites. I'm a catholic and I believe in catholic values. I don't believe in the rites associated to it. These rites have been made by men of another age for men of another age. It's also interesting to notice that all monotheist religions share the same source and have the same objectives but then have different rites. Almost all rites that have their roots in Asia don't even care about a god or not, they are paths to follow to spiritually develop yourself. Taoist is a good example as it was first a philosophical way and then some gave it a religious color and yet some others another way of looking at it and all that following different influences.

For me it's ok to believe in a religion or another. It's even better if you do it being conscious that it's your choice not others choice. Since it's a personnal matter it's not open to criticism from others as long as it doesn't interfere with the choice made by others.

Dancamp wrote:

The question about which one is the best is incomplete.

I know it's been completely lost since I first started this thread....

The "best" part was a play on words that came from the incessant "what's the best____________" type threads that appear on these forums. Best oil. Best tire. Best exhaust. Best gas. Best handguard......

Depending on who you ask you'll get different answers. "Best" not being a very good descriptive term for what someone might be looking for.

I pondered if a "best religion" thread would get more response than a "best _______" thread.

So here we are.

motokid wrote:

I pondered if a "best religion" thread would get more response than a "best _______" thread.

So here we are.

And where are we ?

8 pages - over 230 replies - and thousands of views....and still counting.


Which is many many more than the beer thread...which is kinda funny.

How many of you have a rubber Jesus mounted on your dashboard??

SheWolf wrote:

How many of you have a rubber Jesus mounted on your dashboard??

Would you be interested in starting a business?

Bobblehead Jesus's with grass hula skirts for dashboards?

SheWolf wrote:

How many of you have a rubber Jesus mounted on your dashboard??

Instead I glued a shaman totem of sun.

It helps driving under good weather.

Hey that works! PICS!!

I am a born-again Christian. I go to a missionary baptist church, however I do not consider myself a "baptist". I simply believe what I read in the Bible not what a man preaches at me. Every "religion" has those people that ruin the public opinion of their "religion" by their idiotic behavior. Example; those "baptist" freaks who protest at funerals of military personnel. Their behavior makes the public think that all "baptists" must be jerks, or all catholic priests are child molestors, etc. You all know the stereotypes. I base my beliefs around the King James version of the Bible. It is the closest English version of the original Hebrew and Greek texts. No contradictions have ever been found in the Bible and I usually find that the people who disagree the most with the Bible have never really studied it or read it for themselves. I'm not talking about what somebody has taught you from the Bible or somebody's opinion on the Bible. I'm talking about actually reading it and studying it for yourself. I have studied other "religions" before also. A lot of people say they are "Christians", but you have to look up the original meaning of that word, and their life won't match what they say.

Having said all this, I also believe God created all of us with a free will and He would not force anyone to believe or worship Him. I believe what I believe, but I do not force my beliefs on anyone, nor do I belittle anyone for their beliefs. If somebody asks me I will tell them what I believe, but if they do not want to hear it, I would not try to force the conversation.

adamoto wrote:

Having said all this, I also believe God created all of us with a free will and He would not force anyone to believe or worship Him. I believe what I believe, but I do not force my beliefs on anyone, nor do I belittle anyone for their beliefs. If somebody asks me I will tell them what I believe, but if they do not want to hear it, I would not try to force the conversation.

We share the same opinion on this subject.

Sometimes it looks like who says the good word is more important than the good word itself. Is a good word better because Jesus, Jehova or Mahomet spoke it or does it have meaning by itself ?

SheWolf wrote:

Hey that works! PICS!!

Every time it worked, I had the sun over flashing my camera, sorry.

Beside I'm not much of a picture taker.

Unicorns. Yeah. They're in there. (Job 39:9 KJV)

The Authorised Version of the Bible in English, known far and wide as the King James Version, mentions unicorns. In fact, the word which is translated nine times as "unicorn" or "unicorns" is the Hebrew re'em. This Hebrew word is translated as "ox" or "wild ox" in (almost) every other English version of the Bible, and certainly as "wild ox" or "ox" in every English version of the Bible still in common use. That's what re'em means: ox.


Nice try. If your going to use the example of unicorns in the Bible to discredit it next time research the meaning of the word and the translation that was used. I respect your choice to not believe but why do you feel the need to attack others beliefs.

This is the worst thread on this site.

trav72 wrote:

This is the worst thread on this site.

Did you sneak a peek due to insomnia?