Religion - which one is "the best"?

More peaceful AND palatable.
I went to a seminar last night and it was really enlightening, fun, and informative. It was called 'The Wounded Healer.' We are but an extension of Mother Earth, so when each one of us gets sick, Mother Earth is in effect, sick. We are on the edge of a big shift; and for Mother Earth to heal, we have to help. It starts with each and every one of us, working together. We all breathe the same air, wake up under the same sun, sleep under the same moon. It's far more beneficial to accept one another as we are instead of judging what others aren't. In my opinion, this is the reason there is so much hate, and wars commence. People just need to learn to get along and work together. When you start isolating others because they don't conform under 'your beliefs,' all you're doing is turning people away and doing the exact opposite of what "God' or "Jesus" wants for everyone. Peace and Harmony, regardless of what faith they believe in. Think of the BIG picture, not the ego.

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He who knows himself is enlightened.
Lao Tzu

Let's not forget that even earth is a small part of the universe.

Human beings have been on the earth only a small period of it's 4 billions years. Even dinosaure have been on earth a lot longer than us and they don't exist anymore. Ice ages and warm ages have been going on and on before us.

The way we conduct ourselve has an impact on us. The impact on the earth is small as it will be balanced by something else. What we do determines how long is going to be our passage on earth, that's all nothing else.

Even if there is a nuclear disaster that kills everyone, ina few thousands years the earth will still be there. There won't be any radioactivity left and other animals or life forms will thrive.

SheWolf wrote:

More peaceful AND palatable.
Think of the BIG picture, not the ego.

Good post SheWolf !!!
I think people are awaking to the needs of having Mother Earth's vibration upgrades. The old fear based beliefs need to pass into oblivion because there is no room for that controlling spirit (ego) in the new.

Wow! I can't imagine that i would be the first one to drag up this one in this, such a long thread, but here goes.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses"

Extra credit for anyone who knows who said this.

You must be concerned with any person or group of persons trying to tell you how/what to think. Why would anyone do that? What gain is there in it for them?

Ever notice that all the hollidays are in the winter? I know why.

And as to eternal life? come on give me a brake!!! if your lucky enough to be burried [b][u] not [u][b] in a concreet vault inside a stainless steel lined way overpriced, stupidly ornate box, so pumped full of toxins that the people that handle you your last days above ground require personel protective gear. Then you would get the chance to compost back into the earth and live on as the worm or that green green grass. To think that there will be this wonderfull place "There will be pie in the sky when you die", heaven? well that just seem dillusional.

Here ya go Todd...you asked for it...

Sorry about that SheWolf, I had posted that up before i had read the entire thread, and got all caught up.

For all those who didn't catch it, her post refered to a post i had made saying that the Do onto others thing only works if your not into s&m

Toddwr250r wrote:

Ever notice that all the hollidays are in the winter? I know why.

Easter?

X-mas is in December, but December is a summer month for those in the southern hemisphere.

motokid wrote:

Toddwr250r wrote:

Ever notice that all the hollidays are in the winter? I know why.

Easter?

X-mas is in December, but December is a summer month for those in the southern hemisphere.

I was Catholic school kid; I remember Easter as the Chocolate holiday!

And I still want to spend an X-mas riding in New Zealand!

Now that Spring has sprung in the North, maybe this all mighty thread will go dormant...

deerHater wrote:

And I still want to spend an X-mas riding in New Zealand!

Yes, I would like ride in December during the summer and have a BBQ on Christmas.

Toddwr250r wrote:

"Religion is the opiate of the masses"

Extra credit for anyone who knows who said this.

Ever notice that all the hollidays are in the winter? I know why.

Karl Marx said it.

Most of the holydays are in the winter cause they are after the crops. Most of the religions have rites that are close the the life as it was when the rites were created. That's a problem since life is not what it was but some rites related to it are still being inforced. Like the interdiction to eat pig.

Christmas is when it is because that's the Winter Solstice, and one of the biggest Pagan festivals of the year.

motokid wrote:

Christmas is when it is because that's the Winter Solstice, and one of the biggest Pagan festivals of the year.

Even pagan festivals were tied to their style of life. It's in the fourth century that the church changed many dates to fit solar dates. It served symbolism purposes.

Our bodies and minds are highly influenced by the sun and it's cycles. It's normal that social events follow these influences.

At least people that take opportunities of the holydays have a reason to celebrate. Many non religious people celebrate according to what's left in their wallets.

I do prefer to give a meaning to a celebration. Be it a date by convention to take a break in the routine or following an event that has to be long remembered.

I missed out on Friday for the fair I was supposed to attend, the one for Japan relief. Got stuck in the e-ward Thursday & Friday so I wasn't able to get any pics of it. Hopefully I'll be able to make Beltane.

Very good! on the marx quote.

My favorite quote from marx though, is, "I wouludn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member"

Ya, ya, I know, different marx

Regarding all the winter time rites, this was a simple way for the lords in a feudal system to keep the peasants busy during the long "off" season. In an agriculture based siociety the other three parts of the year are consumed with work. Let the rabble have to much time on their own and they might start to think.

Any religion that can arbitrairily move the dates of special dates around to suit them best? well, that tells me that even they don't have much respect for the sanctity of these dates to begin with. Makes it seem all just made up fairy tales to me.

I could just as easily say to enough people that Arther C. Clark has arisen from his grave and that 2001 is a prophacy, and we should all now worship at the base of a piece of black granite.......

Seems just as likely to me.

I like the quote from His High Holiness The 14th Dahli Llama, "No one can claim a corner on the market of the truth."

Toddwr250r wrote:

Any religion that can arbitrairily move the dates of special dates around to suit them best? well, that tells me that even they don't have much respect for the sanctity of these dates to begin with. Makes it seem all just made up fairy tales to me.

I can agree with this train of thought...

While they were at it they borrowed from the story of Mithra? Ever heard of him? Lets see ... virgin birth, miracle man, executed on a pole, risen from the dead.

Looking forward to Beltane too.

Beltane is May first.

If acted properly this rite should protect the cattle.

Do we have druids that post on the forum ?

Oh, I forgot to add that the Mithra story preceded the Jesus story by 750 years or so. Constantin was a BIG fan/follower of Mithra. Ya, Constantin the ruler that ordered the writings that formed the bible to be cannoned and all documents not in line with them to be burned. Fortunately there were some surviving copies to use as comparative texts.

Control the peasants, and feed them a fodder of false hopes. Turn an angry god benevolent to those who be willing to humble themselves and give alms to his cause. The church became a controlling branch of governing the people, State approved. It was payed for by the people so the ruling class could use its taxed monies elsewhere.

I spent twenty years of my life chasing these empty promises... angry? no, The time was not wasted and I've grown in my abilities to help others.

Toddwr250r wrote:

Wow! I can't imagine that i would be the first one to drag up this one in this, such a long thread, but here goes.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses"

Extra credit for anyone who knows who said this.

How about extra homework for anyone who DOESN'T know who that was paraphrased from?

Hardly a pearl of wisdom however. While pondering it's accuracy, remember this is the same man who stated that free enterprise countries would fall, and communist revolution would sweep the earth. As of now, most communist countries are either circling the drain or subsisting from a wealth of national resources - while capitalism continues to do just fine, thank you very much.

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You must be concerned with any person or group of persons trying to tell you how/what to think. Why would anyone do that? What gain is there in it for them?

It's called "education". Agreeing with what is being presented or not is optional.

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And as to eternal life? come on give me a brake!!!

We can't even grasp the concept of eternity, time with no beginning and no end. When we can't grasp that, just what makes eternal life so improbable?

Dancamp wrote:

Do we have druids that post on the forum ?

That would be cool if we did. So far all we have is a shaman.

SheWolf wrote:

That would be cool if we did. So far all we have is a shaman.

Shamans celebrating Beltane, it's the meeting of old and new world.

SheWolf wrote:

Dancamp wrote:

Do we have druids that post on the forum ?

That would be cool if we did. So far all we have is a shaman.

I beg to differ... some people have talents they have either not put to use yet or no name to describe what they do. I am a see-er and utilize reiki type energy healing. I have no name for what I do and no one has given me a word or phrase that says I'm this ___. It was cultivated and refined by having an open interest in spiritual matters and listening to my inner being. How do I describe/catalog this???... Christed Energy, Pagan, Wicca, Indigo/Christal Matrix, Guardian, Worker...? I guess I'm just me.

Considering where I've come from I seem to be stepping out of the broom closet. Some of these things haven't been posted or expressed anywhere other than in private.

This is just it. Many people who do step out of the broom closet, or have been doing things not considered 'mainstream' by society don't know what to call it, or quite simply just don't say anything due to the fact that criticism is sure (or more than likely) to follow. I didn't mean with my last response that there wasn't anyone else who is from the 'old school' theology; just in saying what I said was merely because nobody has really come forward saying so. If someone asks me what I am/do, I'm more than happy to explain...but I certainly don't go broadcasting it like I hear/see other people do all over.

I hear you on that.... I've always held my hand close and not wanted to reveal my cards. Not quite sure why I've become comfortable enough to share what I have. I don't like people cramming their beliefs down others throats. Never had... I'll encourage others to seek the information they look for. Even when I moved in the mainstream I was not Mainstream.

IndigoWolf wrote:

I've always held my hand close and not wanted to reveal my cards. Not quite sure why I've become comfortable enough to share what I have.

Those who are with strong, honorable heart will come together with kindred spirits and share the bounties Mother Earth has to offer. I'm sure you will resonate with this.