Handlebar Height Stock vs. Scots "Kit" difference

Does anybody know what the height differential is between the stock riser and the riser included in the Scot's kit? Trying to source a fat bar that will end up giving me a similar height to the stock set up. Perhaps the low YZ bend.

I need to know the same thing..

Scott's could answer that for ya.

dc4stroke wrote:

Scott's could answer that for ya.

No they won't, I tried. I did get (after two attempts) the dimensions of the Scots stabilizer, but cannot get the "kit" lower clamp height. Nor can I find what the stockers are anywhere. So, I think BigDog has the Scots risers, and if somebody has the stock set up, we'd be good to go. I'll try the BigDog today, maybe he has the old stockers laying around.

usgpru27 wrote:

I need to know the same thing..

I'll let you know as soon as I do.

usgpru27 wrote:

I need to know the same thing..

I can tell you that BigDog told me the Scots risers are 2 7/8". Now if I could get the stock height that's all I'd need to order bars. I gotta think there are some viewers of this post with stock bars/clamps that could take a tape measure and get this done.

I'm surprised I've not been able to find this simple and valuable info for both Scots' and GPR stabilizers since this is the key measurement for ordering aftermarket bars and looking to keep similar height to a stock set up. Otherwise it's a crap shoot ordering bars.

Do you not have a set of stock bar clamps on your bike now?

Thinair, I can measure tomorrow.. Let me know exactly what you want.. Can take pictures as needed.. I have the GP Tech and its much thinner than the scotts..

as i posted in the other thread. 45mm triple clamp to top front edge lower mount

millert85 wrote:

as i posted in the other thread. 45mm triple clamp to top front edge lower mount

Terrific, time to shop for some bars now! And top clamp, and .. and.

From across the world comes my answer, you just gotta love technology! To think I watched "gilligans island" in black & white television when I was a kid. Thank you.

john92 wrote:

Do you not have a set of stock bar clamps on your bike now?

Don't have the bike yet, still sitting at the dealer at the moment. Just lining up the after market, lots of work to do ahead of getting the bike. HDB had a group buy I wanted to take advantage of but needed this info first to tack on a bar order with them at a substantial discount.

Great, it would appear that there is a 1 1/8 differential between stock and the Scot's "kit" risers. So if one wants bars that will be similar in height we've got the number to look for now. So if stock bars are 3.8" high, or just a tad over 3 3/4" then the go to bar would have a rise of approx. 2 5/8" Ahhh... solved!

i'll go you 1 better. closest thing will be protaper contours - RM Low or Renthal Fatbar - CR High, KTM SX 2008 or RM.

all will give slight changes, mostly in sweep. i think u'd have to ride it stock for a bit to see what exactly you need to change.

millert85 wrote:

i'll go you 1 better. closest thing will be protaper contours - RM Low or Renthal Fatbar - CR High, KTM SX 2008 or RM.

all will give slight changes, mostly in sweep. i think u'd have to ride it stock for a bit to see what exactly you need to change.

O.K., now you've confused me. How do you figure the above recommended bars when stock rise is 1.75" and bars are 3.8" for a total of 5.55"

Scot's stabilizer "kit" lower clamps are "reported" to be 2.875" (included the washer shim at bottom)

That leaves 2.675" for rise in a new bar to match the stock height. The stock bars supposedly have a 2.6" pull back.

Your recommended bars are:

ProTaper Contour RM Low - 2.91 high x 2.17 pb
Renthal Fatbar CR High - 3.74 high x 2.44 pb

I see a few different choices, maybe the ProTaper Countour RM low, but not the Renthal CR High. Here's what I see;

ProTaper Contour Woods Low Bend - 2.8 high x 2.37 pb
ProTaper SE CR Low Bend - 2.8 high x 2.68 pb
KX Low Bend - 2.8 high x 2.36 pb
YZ Low Bend - 2.64 high x 2.76 pb
Tusk Chub MX Race Bar - 2.8 high x 2.25 pb

Incidentally there are very few bars in the mid to mid upper 2" height of all the choices out there. This tells me that either the higher Scot's stabilizer vs the slimmer GPR is not as popular, or stabilizers in general are not popular, or most riders want .5" to 1" more rise than the stock Yamaha WR250R rise. What about pull back? Am I trying to match a height that is not at conducive to how most off road riders want their bikes set up? Since I have no experience with dirt biking as I do street, having the bike to just sit on tells me very little. Riding it for a month or so in the dirt would be great, I could go through a few hundred bucks figuring out bars, or someone on this site could lend some insight based on a medium sized guy. 5'8" wearing a medium shirt.

Glad to see ya still Bird doggin this one ThinAir.

No doubt, this information seems hard to come by.
I ditched my stock bars long ago, and I should have taken before and after pics, plus measurements before I did this swap.
However, since I still have the stock lower clamps, I'll see if I can get some pics and measurements, just for future reference.

Seems like you're on the right track.

SteveO wrote:

Glad to see ya still Bird doggin this one ThinAir.

No doubt, this information seems hard to come by.
I ditched my stock bars long ago, and I should have taken before and after pics, plus measurements before I did this swap.
However, since I still have the stock lower clamps, I'll see if I can get some pics and measurements, just for future reference.

Seems like you're on the right track.

Maybe if we keep this thing alive long enough some folks like myself will have some good info down the road. My impression is that many folks who ride in rocky area's consider a stabilizer one of the top add-ons to a bike, so there should be some input out here somewhere. I think I'm going to go with a bar that is between 2.8" and 3.0" rise and 2.2 to 2.5 pull back and give it a try, unless of course I get some info that would direct me to do otherwise. I do not plan on racing, what I am looking for is a bar that has enough rise for woods or standing, but not so high I lose blood to my hands cross country gravel/trail linking, i.e. seated riding.

apologies, i was interrupted half way thru and came back and was looking at the wrong column, CR High's are only 70mm rise (2.75") but do have a 92mm (3.74") overall height, with 62mm (2.44") PB

millert85 wrote:

apologies, i was interrupted half way thru and came back and was looking at the wrong column, CR High's are only 70mm rise (2.75") but do have a 92mm (3.74") overall height, with 62mm (2.44") PB

Jees, now you got me wondering what the difference between rise and overall height is? When the stock bar dimensions for the WR250R were published on the net on one of these rider sites, they were posted as stated above. Wonder if that is rise or overall height they were talking about?

Keep going Thinair.. your getting some great information. My exact next question..

usgpru27 wrote:

Keep going Thinair.. your getting some great information. My exact next question..

Well, I think I've pretty much exhausted myself here. I found the stock lowers are 45mm, learned Scot's is unwilling to measure their lowers so poor old Big Dog had to make a couple of trips to the cold Illinois garage to put a tape to his and found they were 2 7/8's. Then off of a post somewhere in netland the stock bars are said to have a height/rise of 3.8". So thats mm's, fractions, and tenth's. Did the best I could to convert, and came up with a difference of in or around 1 1/8" difference. Scot's says their risers are about an inch higher than stock, and said their stabilizer makes an especially good impact on this particular bike. An 1/8" is close enough. Highway Dirt Bikes says their Flipped or Reversible clamp will work with this set up of Scot's lower and their top clamp, but adjustments to the stabilizer will be difficult without removing the top clamp to do it. But he said the stabilizer is a set it and forget it George Foreman kinda deal, so no great shake there. I want the ability to have a powerlet, a couple of switches for heated grips and the such. Plus they look freekin awesome!!!

I'll probably ride the bike with the Scot's top clamps for a few rides, play with the adjustments, then once dialed in, mount the HDB top clamp.

Now it's time to.....

i just did some measurements for you. keep in mind they were pretty ghetto with a couple steel rulers and a tape measure on the bike.

width: 780mm
rise: 60-65mm
over all height: 95mm
PB: 70mm
mounting area needed for stock clamps: 120mm


going off those measurements:

stock over all (95) + stock clamp (45) = 140mm total

total (140) - scotts clamp (73mm) = 67mm total new bar height(NBH) (2.64" for those playing in a country that STILL hasn't adopted the internationally recognized standard units of millimetres :p )

BUT

NBH(67) - difference in height and rise of stock bars (95-60=35mm) = 32mm <-- Rise of new bar (NBR)

So if my calculationa are correct my dear watson we need:

Height: 67mm
Rise: 32mm
Sweep/PB: 70mm

Soooo...... its gonna have to go a bit higher, cause i cant even find a road bar that height .

i would think the renthal fatbar ktm sx-f (#672-01) maybe a good bet (H:80, R:55, PB:57), 13mm higher, same height/rise ratio and only 10-15mm less PB, which personally i prefer in dirt bars.

millert85 wrote:

i just did some measurements for you. keep in mind they were pretty ghetto with a couple steel rulers and a tape measure on the bike.

width: 780mm
rise: 60-65mm
over all height: 95mm
PB: 70mm
mounting area needed for stock clamps: 120mm


going off those measurements:

stock over all (95) + stock clamp (45) = 140mm total

total (140) - scotts clamp (73mm) = 67mm total new bar height(NBH) (2.64" for those playing in a country that STILL hasn't adopted the internationally recognized standard units of millimetres :p )

BUT

NBH(67) - difference in height and rise of stock bars (95-60=35mm) = 32mm <-- Rise of new bar (NBR)



So if my calculationa are correct my dear watson we need:

Height: 67mm
Rise: 32mm
Sweep/PB: 70mm

Soooo...... its gonna have to go a bit higher, cause i cant even find a road bar that height .

i would think the renthal fatbar ktm sx-f (#672-01) maybe a good bet (H:80, R:55, PB:57), 13mm higher, same height/rise ratio and only 10-15mm less PB, which personally i prefer in dirt bars.

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OK, bear with me! First of all, what is a millimeter? Is it like a centipede but fatter, fewer legs or more? Now, on to the meat of things. How are you measuring "Height"? I would assume that it would be from mid-line on horizontal clamp portion of bar to the plane that represents the top of the ends of the bars. I would think rise is just the portion from that same mid-line to the top of the bend where it begins it's journey out to the end of the bar. I HOPE your wrong here, and hope (do we really need any other measurement) we're only looking for a number which represents the area from mid-line to where your hands will sit on the bars. So what is your "Height" and your "Rise" represent?

Cripes, I have no idea how to make this a live link, nor have I a clue how to just add the image of this. How the hell am I going to make a GPS work? Gives me an ulcer just thinking about it.


http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/rmsite/special/measurementchart.gif

Height is all we're interested in I believe.

thinair wrote:

Cripes, I have no idea how to make this a live link, nor have I a clue how to just add the image of this. How the hell am I going to make a GPS work? Gives me an ulcer just thinking about it.


http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/images/rmsite/special/measurementchart.gif

Height is all we're interested in I believe.

OMG !!! It turned itself into a link

thinair wrote:

How the hell am I going to make a GPS work? Gives me an ulcer just thinking about it.

We teach illiterate Afghans who don't understand a word of English that they see in the Garmin menus to use a GPS in about an hour...

Don't be like that guy over on ADV who amused me for several weeks by saying he was a computer programmer, had worked with all kinds of interfaces from heavy iron to Macs, but found Garmin's user interface to be the most baffling piece of engineering he had ever seen. I kept my amusement to myself over there, but here I may not be able to restrain myself.

However, questions cheerfully answered. After all, the Afghans ask questions as well - we just don't need a terp here.

BTW, the GPSMAP 60CSx units are selling for around $230 right now, and unless you are motarding it around cities as your riding profile, this is a pretty hard unit to beat for our quarter litres. In fact, my wife has gone through a Tom Tom and a couple of similar units in her Jeep, and while they work as advertised, I'll take the Garmin handheld any day, including in a four wheeled vehicle. However, I don't have a lot of use for the LBS functions that the auto GPS units have, so your mileage may vary in that respect.