Handlebar Height Stock vs. Scots "Kit" difference

Not sure if this helps.. I like the scotts because the height is more than stock or the gpr. it does feel a little tall when sitting but its great standing.

Jäger wrote:

thinair wrote:

How the hell am I going to make a GPS work? Gives me an ulcer just thinking about it.

We teach illiterate Afghans who don't understand a word of English that they see in the Garmin menus to use a GPS in about an hour...

Don't be like that guy over on ADV who amused me for several weeks by saying he was a computer programmer, had worked with all kinds of interfaces from heavy iron to Macs, but found Garmin's user interface to be the most baffling piece of engineering he had ever seen. I kept my amusement to myself over there, but here I may not be able to restrain myself.

However, questions cheerfully answered. After all, the Afghans ask questions as well - we just don't need a terp here.

BTW, the GPSMAP 60CSx units are selling for around $230 right now, and unless you are motarding it around cities as your riding profile, this is a pretty hard unit to beat for our quarter litres. In fact, my wife has gone through a Tom Tom and a couple of similar units in her Jeep, and while they work as advertised, I'll take the Garmin handheld any day, including in a four wheeled vehicle. However, I don't have a lot of use for the LBS functions that the auto GPS units have, so your mileage may vary in that respect.

My mom is Afgan, maybe she'll help me figure it out. No... really I'll catch on as soon as I get it and start dickering with it. I was on Google Earth last night trying to figure out how to map some rides near Bozeman, then export it to the 60csx but got TOTALLY lost, frustrated, and felt ignorant. I'm placing an order for one right now for $199.00 thru GPS City. I might just take you up on that offer someday for assistance. I'll just wrap my head up really tight so it don't explode when we talk.

motoman250f wrote:

Not sure if this helps.. I like the scotts because the height is more than stock or the gpr. it does feel a little tall when sitting but its great standing.

So which ProTaper bars are those? How do rate riding with the ($500!@@!!) damper vs. not? Thanks for the pic. Looks like the shorter the bar the better. I think GPR gives you more height options than Scot's because there are many more bars that fit the range for the height of the GPR, whereas with Scot's your looking for the few lowest bars around. Those bars posted above. 2 7/8" confirmed by pic!!!

Those are either reed/henry or windham cant remember,,which are both really tall. I just installed last week so I don't have a real opinion yet. I just got the damper from a friend so it was cheap. I have been using the scotts for a few years and I like their stuff. One thing I notice about the wrr scotts setup is that the post is really clamped down and doesn't flex at all. That makes the damper more effective. not sure how the gpr works but I was considering it. the scotts has a built in bearing that pivots with the top clamp but still holds well at the neck. maybe gpr does the same??
On my race bike the damper really helps keep the bike straight and I notice the wrr feels loose in comparison,, still the wrr is better than most as far as high speed stability so the damper isnt as important as on other bikes,, IMHO

thinair wrote:

OK, bear with me! First of all, what is a millimeter? Is it like a centipede but fatter, fewer legs or more? Now, on to the meat of things. How are you measuring "Height"? I would assume that it would be from mid-line on horizontal clamp portion of bar to the plane that represents the top of the ends of the bars. I would think rise is just the portion from that same mid-line to the top of the bend where it begins it's journey out to the end of the bar. I HOPE your wrong here, and hope (do we really need any other measurement) we're only looking for a number which represents the area from mid-line to where your hands will sit on the bars. So what is your "Height" and your "Rise" represent?

that is correct from centre line of the mounts up to centre line of plane between ends of bar. rise is from mount centre line to centre bar @ back of bend (ie where the bend straightens)

http://renthal.com/File/product2d.asp?productid=0&tabtype=5&zone=&biketype=&manufacturer=&model=&bikedate=

the problem with only 1 height number, like protaper and many others use, is you cant get a read on what the angle of the handle section will be. your sweep/PB is not only along the horizontal plane but vertical as well. if there is a big diff in height and rise, your wrist get put on funny angles (which you will find as pro riders/trials seem to like aggressive angles)

millert85 wrote:

thinair wrote:

OK, bear with me! First of all, what is a millimeter? Is it like a centipede but fatter, fewer legs or more? Now, on to the meat of things. How are you measuring "Height"? I would assume that it would be from mid-line on horizontal clamp portion of bar to the plane that represents the top of the ends of the bars. I would think rise is just the portion from that same mid-line to the top of the bend where it begins it's journey out to the end of the bar. I HOPE your wrong here, and hope (do we really need any other measurement) we're only looking for a number which represents the area from mid-line to where your hands will sit on the bars. So what is your "Height" and your "Rise" represent?

that is correct from centre line of the mounts up to centre line of plane between ends of bar. rise is from mount centre line to centre bar @ back of bend (ie where the bend straightens)

http://renthal.com/File/product2d.asp?productid=0&tabtype=5&zone=&biketype=&manufacturer=&model=&bikedate=

the problem with only 1 height number, like protaper and many others use, is you cant get a read on what the angle of the handle section will be. your sweep/PB is not only along the horizontal plane but vertical as well. if there is a big diff in height and rise, your wrist get put on funny angles (which you will find as pro riders/trials seem to like aggressive angles)

Very good now, I'm starting to understand. So the closer ratio of rise to height would be a flatter or more horizontal bar end/grip area. And more aggressive riders may prefer a wider ratio or steeper bend up as the bar goes towards it's end. Wow, good stuff. I'm going to go with the ProTaper EVO RM Low Bend, or Renthal RMZ bar. I have no idea what the rise is, but I do know what the height and pull back are. Hopefully not to much rise/height ratio as I'm looking for old man comfort here. You've been over-the-top helpful. Someday I'll buy you a Steinlager or two. Cheers

Thats exactly how it works!!!

I'm happy to help. i'm a novice rider (only 12mths experience) and there is still plenty i'm learning, so doing this sort of thing helps me and helps me help my customers.

that renthal rmz is gonna be perfect, its actually the same bar i suggested, my book at work calls it ktm, but renthals website calls it rmz, same specs.