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Dancamp wrote:

If Québec was such a burden for the rest of Canada, they would support the separatists.

Apparently you haven't noticed Danny boy, but a lot of Canadians have been saying "Good riddance to bad rubbish" for a long time now. It's not that we don't welcome Quebec as part of Canada. It's just that we're tired of a welfare bum province that expects to be treated like they're special and above the rest of Canada who pays their bills. We feel kinda bad about the poor treatment you got in Canada for most of the first century, but we don't feel like we should have to kiss your asses until the end of time because of that.

The sticking point has been a continuation of governments willing to consider sovereignty association, because federal governments have historically found that if you can win all or most of either Ontario or Quebec, and a few other seats here and there, you can form government and what the rest of the country thinks or votes really doesn't matter.

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And about the fact that we are socialists, it is our choice not yours.

It certainly is.

The problem is your love of practicing socialism - but with the rest of Canada expected to bankroll your doing so. If you funded your own attempts at socialism instead of demanding everyone else pay for it, frankly I wouldn't give a crap what you chose to do. As it is, you practice socialism, and even with the rest of Canada kicking in money to help pay for it, you're still hopelessly broke. You don't learn that socialism doesn't work of course - you just demand more from the rest of Canada.

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And the argument that other provinces are paying for our welfare just shows how ignorant you are about the whole picture. The perequation is only a part of the equation. But don't try to understand the whole situation, you are to busy to brag to start learning.

Too funny. Please do name the last year that Quebec was a net contributor to equalization payments, rather than the biggest parasite sucking up equalization payments from other provinces.

You've been a provincial welfare case for so long you've graduated from building castles in the sky; now you've decided to move in. (I'm sure you'll send the rest of the provinces the moving bill).

- using the measurement of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, Quebec is the fifth-most indebted jurisdiction in the industrialized world, far beyond Canada and the U.S.

- Quebec's debt is at 94% of its gross domestic product, just ahead of Italy and Greece, whose debts exceed their GDP

- According to the OECD measure, which includes Quebec's share of the federal debt, it's at $286 billion

- Quebec, a net recipient of federal funds, is its largest beneficiary at $8.5 billion.

-"Thanks to equalization, Quebec pays for programs that other provinces don't have the means to offer." André Pratte

- Quebec offers $17 billion, or 26 per cent, more in services than Ontario, while its GDP is 14% less.

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You're like any fearsome old man that can only see things through old memories.

Perhaps, although I doubt you could ever keep up with me on your best day, much less now. But it beats having your mindset, a whining little child who thinks he has a right to being rewarded even though he does nothing to earn it. And if everyone else doesn't kiss his ass and spoil him, he'll take his ball and go away.

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You thrive in division since you can't accept the fact that there are a lot of people that live happy in a system you can't understand.

Oh, I understand you're happy living in your welfare funded socialist system Danny boy. When you're a pathetic welfare case, totally without any personal pride, and are perfectly happy to live that life as long as other people elsewhere do the sweat and work to fund your life as a welfare case, it's easy to see why you like it. Money for nothing and the poutine's for free. You don't have to get off your dead asses and join the rest of the world, just keep threatening to leave while holding your hand out for more money and demanding more special treatment.

You won't leave of course, we both know that. Because that would mean you'd lose the Canadian tit to suck off of and actually have to get to work and quit screwing around with socialism once it was no longer funded by the rest of Canada. You won't leave simply because you're not stupid, and you know leaving home and going it on your own will never be as sweet a deal as remaining with Canada and continuing to suck up equalization dollars.

Do a lot of other provinces like busting their asses and sending their tax dollars to the welfare case that Quebec is? No, we don't, especially not when we have to fork that money over so you can provide services that those of us paying for those services can't give to our own province back home. If you ever decide to quite being the Official Canadian Welfare Bum, quite demanding to be treated as something special, and join the rest of the provinces simply as an equal, maybe you'll find a much warmer welcome.

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Everything in your mind is related to owning something. When you ear share you understand charity.

When I hear "share" from you, I hear you saying "I'm going to sit on my ass; you're going to do the work to pay me to do so". The funny thing about the Welfare Province of Quebec is they talk "share" a lot - but all the sharing is supposed to go one way, with everyone sharing with Quebec while Quebec shares nothing.

And yes, freedom and liberty is related to labour and the wealth one earns from it. I'm not sure you're up to it, but you might try reading a little Locke sometime. It might help you with your understanding of how your government was designed and came into being.

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I understand it rocks an old man like you, but like it or not the world today is not the same it was centuries ago. The evolution is not going your way and that's because more and more people start to realise that living together means making compromises.

Not so's you would have noticed, but while the Quebec Welfare State just moved from the Separatists to the Socialists, the rest of Canada elected a Conservative government two days ago. A majority Conservative government. And in the midterms, lots of Democrats got punted in favour of Republicans. So actually, evolution is going quite nicely as I see it.

Which means no more Quebec blackmail in Parliament until at least the next election. Another evolutionary step forward for Canada as a nation.

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And note that every step in human evolution is following a dream. Aren't you able to dream a little old man ?

I do, my small spoiled naive brat, I do.
I dream that Separatists in Quebec will get a kick in their whiny girl twat. That seems to have happened.

I dreamed of a Conservative majority government. I got that too.

I dreamed that Canadians would open their eyes and start retreating from cradle to grave socialism as espoused by the Liberals of late and always by the Dippers. That seems to be happening.

Finally, I dream that the Official Canadian Welfare State of Quebec will grow up, quite acting like a spoiled child, and join the rest of Canada as an equal partner - or pack their bags and leave, without any sovereignty association.

We'll have to work on the last one, I guess. Four dreams realized... one left to work on.

taoshum wrote:

Dancamp. Best thing you can do though is to "ignore" him. Every post is so predictable, you don't even need to read them.

Ah yes... our local rider sponsored by Depends, who likes to ignore me while toddling around after me from thread to thread.

The guy who posts he bought a Yamaha DT1 at 19 years old - in 1951, decades before Yamaha introduced it. Which reminds me...

taoshum wrote:

I'll wager that my friend and I pay more income taxes every year than you've paid in the last 10 years.

taoshum wrote:

Oh, I didn't go riding today, too cold and had to go to the Doc; good thing we have Medicare!

The guy who claims he pays the equivalent of taxes on well over half a million dollars each year, but then says how lucky he is to have Medicare to help pay for a visit to the doctor!

This may be so,
I do not know,
But it sounds so very queer.

As far as I can see you're the one whining all day long, old poor man. You write thousands of words crying how much everything that doesn't share your ideas is the end of humanity.

I stated that I was pleased with my life. It seems to start you like an old steam machine that doesn't want to be left out of business.

But then again there are some that like to live in the past and there are some who try to find ways to live with others even when they are different. Don't worry, since we're in a civilised workd you can keep on aligning words about things you don't understand, no one will do harm to you because of it. Go take a nap with the ghosts of your past, it'll help you forget the present and put your twisted mind to rest for a few minutes. After thet you'll be fresh enough to restart braging.

Now, where is the peanut ?

Hey I found it!! Nope...it's a chocolate covered raisin. Damned wannabe...

Dancamp wrote:

As far as I can see you're the one whining all day long, old poor man. You write thousands of words crying how much everything that doesn't share your ideas is the end of humanity.

Ah Danny, it's just pointing out you're a sad little socialist, living the good socialist life in a welfare province while other Canadians pay your freight. But then, spoiled little brats always figure they're at the top of the totem pole as long as they can get the adults in the room to keep feeding and supporting them.

It needs to said. Your revisionist views of Canadian history and government will have you trying to sell the Welfare Province as the economic engine of Canada the way you go on.

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I stated that I was pleased with my life.

Dan, I've never doubted for a moment you are. Show me a parasite anywhere in nature that is unhappy with having a host to suck off of.

Why would anyone think you wouldn't be?

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But then again there are some that like to live in the past and there are some who try to find ways to live with others even when they are different.

Yeah, like Quebecers that still haven't figured out the French got their asses kicked on the Plains of Abraham, still want to be their very own "nation within a nation", pass discriminatory laws against Anglophones and use the Charter's notwithstanding clause to get away with it - and then whimper that others don't want to try and find a way to live with them.

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Don't worry, since we're in a civilised workd you can keep on aligning words about things you don't understand, no one will do harm to you because of it. Go take a nap with the ghosts of your past, it'll help you forget the present and put your twisted mind to rest for a few minutes. After thet you'll be fresh enough to restart braging.

That's impressive.

I'm being told my mind is twisted and I don't understand by somebody nattering about how he has property rights in Canada, despite the fact those rights were explicitly left out of the Constitution, and which his Supreme Court has refused to read in.

I'm being told my mind is twisted and I don't understand by somebody who slagged his Canadian military by posting elsewhere here that Canadian pilots never dropped a bomb in Kosovo, when anyone going on the Internet can see that not only did they fly combat missions, they flew so many out of proportion to their numbers that two squadrons were awarded battle honours.

I'm being told my mind is twisted and I don't understand by somebody who slagged his Canadian military by posting elsewhere crying that Afghanistan was Canada's first UN mission involving combat, while a real Canadian would remember those Canadians who died in combat on prior missions in Korea, Cyprus, Yugoslavia, etc.

You can only excuse such overwhelming ignorance of a person's own country, own government, and own history for so long by trying to give them the benefit of the doubt that it is simply a problem of their writing in their second language. The problem isn't language, it's personal ignorance of the country you live in and which protects and funds your happy little socialist life.

And every time you get caught in your bullshit, when somebody provides specific links showing that what you're posting is simply bullshit, when your ass is exposed for all to see, you pull out the "you're twisted and don't understand" mantra. Do you provide any evidence that Canadians DO have property rights, Canadian pilots DIDN'T drop bombs in Kosovo, or any of the other BS you run out hoping people will lap it up? No, you scuttle away muttering "you're twisted and don't understand".

Now how pathetic and childish is that?

In fact, it is difficult to think of an example where you've actually got anything about your nation correct. Which possibly makes sense when you live in "a nation within a nation" in your little cultural backwater, unwilling to join the rest of Canada moving forward, muttering that you're special and different.

All is good Danny. The Conservatives have a majority, so the adults are back in charge again in Canada.

The separatists got a kick in the twat, and better yet the rest of Canada has increasingly lost patience with the "we'll leave" whining, so it will meet a different Canada should it ever arise again.

Fear not, the welfare cheques to keep you in poutine and existing as "a nation within a nation" won't dry up. You won't have to get off your dead asses and get busy, socialism can continue with us paying for it. We're used to having a slow kid in the family, and like a family, we won't neglect keeping them fed and wiping their nose and giving them a pat on the head when they need it. They can try your patience, but what can you do? They're part of the family, you love them anyways, and you wouldn't think of throwing them out in the street. But you do kind of hope they'll grow up some day.

And I for one am going to stock up on popcorn. Watching Taliban Jack the John Layton in opposition, after telling Quebec the Constitution should be reopened to give them an even BETTER deal, with MPs who were on vacation during the election, don't speak French but represent a predominantly French riding, a 19 year old who had a summer job lined up mowing lawns on golf courses before he was elected (minimum wage to $157k/year, not bad), etc... well, it's going to be the best free entertainment available in Canada for years to come.

And you being a proud socialist and all, getting something for free right in your home province paid for by Canadian taxpayers is something you have to like.

Eh?

Eat your popcorn and don't choke on it.

I am what I am and have no reason to report to a chief bragger wanabe something. I just don't feel at war with my surroundings and while I'm pretty able to share with people around me even if they don't have the same opinions I have I can only despises the kind of people that promotes hatred through suspiscion, half truth, twisted interpretations and selfish views. Reading your thousands words some might think that we should live in bomb shelters all day long and shoot at anything moves.

You say others are naive and at the same time you pretend there is no economic reasons for countries to invade others. You praise the founders but only when it suits your propaganda.

I"m quite aware that there are still some retrogrades human being, you are an example of it. I'm also glad I can speak with right wings people that are looking for solutions for all people not only their selfish runny nose. I might lean on the socialist side, it doesn't keep me from finding some benefits to other systems. Try to stop your propaganda, I'm certain your few good ideas might better come through.

I'm still searching the peanut...

Whaaaaa....

As always, without fail, no logical argument to back up anything you post, here or anywhere else. Just more whining and crying from Quebec. Now how new or surprising is that!

Can I send you a box of Kleenex to wipe away your tears and fears, little man? Wouldn't want you to short out your keyboard.

You seem to take your own words as references. You always give half truth and try to mannipulate the thoughts of people you interact with.

I put the links the the whole documents so everyone can have their own opinion on the documents. It's like when you said that the invasion of Afghanistan was after the UN asked for it. I published the date of the resolution from the UN which was after the invasion.

You state that Trudeau volontarily witheld any provision for private prorty in the charter when the facts are that there wasn't enough provinces that supported the provisions he tried to put in.

Like every blind minded propagandist you create a world in your head and you believe it. All youy logic fails to take in consideration all the known facts.

You're not even able to make the diffrence between questions and affirmations.

Keep on saying that the fact to carry a weapon protects you from a tyrant. Go talk with your BP friends that neglected some maintenance in the gulf. They did that because profits were more important than respecting your country's property. Keep on mixing wealth creation with moving of wealth. You're so logic that while we can't supply jobs to everyone who wants to work, you want to force others that don't want to work to find some. And you make it sound like there was 47% of the people that support social laws are all net recipients of government allocations. Keep on twisting reality to make sure people react on feelings instead of trying to find solutions with their intelligence.

Society evoluates in time. Evoluion is exactly getting awy from what it was and going toward what one wants to get at. And when there are many individuals that are tied together in this evolution, each one must take into account how to get what he wants not against his fellow citizen but with him. And since you don't sound like you know it, most people want to work and be able to earn their living honestly. Most of the people that support social laws are not those who recieve the more from these laws.

When you take pride in giving names to those who don't share your opinions you just demonstrate the level at which you are. Exactly like an animal that defends it's pit cause it doesn't know better. How could you understand evolution since youre so full of yourself. You sound like you think you are the end result.

Dancamp wrote:

You seem to take your own words as references. You always give half truth and try to mannipulate the thoughts of people you interact with.

I put the links the the whole documents so everyone can have their own opinion on the documents. It's like when you said that the invasion of Afghanistan was after the UN asked for it. I published the date of the resolution from the UN which was after the invasion.

How thick are you that you can't wrap your head around the fact that property rights aren't in the Canadian constitution and a UN resolution is not part of the Canadian Constitution?

How thick are you that the fact the Supreme Court has said - repeatedly - that Canadians DO NOT have property rights is something you just can't understand?

And Danny - please do quote where I said that NATO going into Afhanistan was after the UN asked for it. What I said was the government of Afghanistan had been asking the UN for intervention since 1997. I said the recognized government of Afghanistan - which was NEVER, EVER the Taliban - gave NATO permission to go in there after Al-Queda and bin Laden.

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You state that Trudeau volontarily witheld any provision for private prorty in the charter when the facts are that there wasn't enough provinces that supported the provisions he tried to put in.

Hooraayyyy!

Dan finally figured out he actually doesn't have property rights among his constitutional rights like he thought.

I think.

Yes Dan, Trudeau voluntarily left property rights out of the Canadian constitution. A bunch of provinces said they would not sign Trudeau's constitution if that right were included for the citizens of Canada. Trudeau had the choice of doing the right thing or going along with that so he could get his constitution. So he said "screw property rights, I want that constitution signed". And that was the end of individual property rights for Canadians.

And unless you believe somebody was holding a gun to Trudeau's head, or the country would have fallen apart within months after lasting over a century without that constitution... yes, it was voluntary. As in, he had a choice. He chose statism - no surprise with Trudeau.

And screwed Rene Levesque while doing so, incidentally.

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Like every blind minded propagandist you create a world in your head and you believe it. All youy logic fails to take in consideration all the known facts.

Oh, so you're saying Canadians DIDN'T drop bombs in Kosovo, again? Want the link to the announcement of battle honours for combat missions, again?

Or are you back to claiming you have property rights in Canada yet again?

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Keep on saying that the fact to carry a weapon protects you from a tyrant.

Well, we know a woman in Montana is four times less likely to be raped than a woman in Quebec, don't we? So I figure it's either Quebec males tend to be rapists - or males in Montana who are thinking of committing rape change their mind after they think about how many women carry a handgun.

And after all, as we've seen after you started bragging a bit early, you're much less likely to be a victim of violent crime in Montana than you are in Quebec

I'll take that for starters.

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Keep on mixing wealth creation with moving of wealth.

News flash Danny - welfare for life is neither a job nor a career. Either for an individual, or for a province who think's they're special and a little bit better than everyone else.

And taxing the hell out of those who will bust their asses and work to get ahead, so you can redistribute their wealth to those who will not is no way to encourage either a desire to get ahead, or a desire to simply become self sufficient in the first place.

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You're so logic that while we can't supply jobs to everyone who wants to work, you want to force others that don't want to work to find some.

Yes, I am a scary person.

I actually do think that those capable of working should be expected to actively look for work, or be in programs to improve their employability, or failing the previous two choices, doing work for the taxpayers who are sending them those welfare cheques.

Scary me for not respecting their right to spend their lives on the public dole, playing basketball and hanging around on street corners, apparently always able to at least find enough money for cigarettes, booze, drugs, etc.

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And you make it sound like there was 47% of the people that support social laws are all net recipients of government allocations. Keep on twisting reality to make sure people react on feelings instead of trying to find solutions with their intelligence.

People having a right to spend their lives living on the dole, raising their children to be the next generation that lives their lives on the dole.

Now that is an intelligent solution!

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Society evoluates in time.

Yes indeed! Canada just elected a majority conservative government. Midterms in the US a few months before rejected Democrats for Republicans. Yes, we are evolving - at least a little bit.

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each one must take into account how to get what he wants not against his fellow citizen but with him.

Oh, okay... does that mean all those unemployed bums spending their lives cashing their welfare checks, hanging out, and playing basketball are going to be sending job applications up to Fort Mac to try and get ahead in company with the other guys doing that exact same thing?

No? No, I didn't think so either. They want what they want - and they expect others to pay for it.

Why is it a refugee from another country who arrives without a pot to piss in and speaking neither official language can work their way up to the middle class in about a decade, and all these native born bums apparently are condemned to poverty for life. See anything wrong with this picture?

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When you take pride in giving names to those who don't share your opinions you just demonstrate the level at which you are. Exactly like an animal that defends it's pit cause it doesn't know better. How could you understand evolution since youre so full of yourself. You sound like you think you are the end result.

I'm sorry I'm laughing at you Danny. But after having watched so many of my tax dollars pissed off in your socialist province - a province which makes no apologies for laws that are discriminatory towards Anglophones, a province which had to use the "notwithstanding" clause of the Charter to have those laws survive - I figure I'm entitled to get some laughs out of the gong show that your province is. After all, I paid for a ticket, sorta.

Now let's just you and me sit back and watch Quebec politics unfold for the next four years. Let's see, you elected:

- a 19 year old kid, just out of high school, who was about to start a minimum wage job at a golf course

- a bar owner in a francophone riding who doesn't speak French, was on holidays during the election, and apparently may have never even been in the riding before.

Yeah... this should be FUN!

Socialism - a truly humanistic, enlightened social invention. As long as somebody else pays the costs of it...

Again a good show of ignorance.

Ask Harper if he wants to stop equalisation plan for Canada. If it's voted for, I agree. We'll be more than happy to keep all our taxes here and pay the whole of what we want to.

Obviously you don't know how many people are doing a so call career in welfare. At least how many that are employables. You don't know either how much they recieve a month from welfare. Obviously you're not even interested in knowing. Objective knowledge isn't what you're after.

As for the excuses for the english speaking people in Quebec, it shows again how deep your disdain of institutions. What has been done was in line with the constitution and afterward approuved by the supreme court. But yes I know, these institutions are only good when they lean on Jäger's side. The propaganda master empty of substance but full of words. And by the way english speaking people are treated much better than french speaking ones in the other provinces. I don't see much citizens from other provinces feeling to make excuses.

And for our newly elected representatives, we'll see what they will do. It can't be worst than some preachers. If they don't do the job, they won't be elected again. Democracy played it's game, even if sometines the results are not the one we'd rather have, we live and do our best with it. Not doing so is supporting poor little crippled minds that prefer dictature.