Subject: Speedometer Error/Correction Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:29 pm
List your issues with speedometers here.
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throck38
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:02 pm
my speedo is about 5 mph off, i have checked it with the wifes car and with a garmin gps, i called my local yamaha shop, and they claim that nothing can be done about it.
Chrispy1200
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:35 pm
Someone on SMJ posted about a WR250R/X speedo corrector they found on Ebay for $55. It was sold but I contacted the seller. He's waiting for more connectors before building more but he sent me instructions and a link to a Youtube video on how to set it. Look like a good product. I'll buy one to be the guinea pig and I'll post back with a review. I'll post the link to the video when I get home tonight.
YamWOW! Admin
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:19 pm
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ZED
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:09 pm
I feel based on other vehicles that my speedo is 20% out. I'm running 13/48 gearing. $100 is a lot for the healer, but by the time I do the mental math... let's see, that times 2, divide by ten, carry the one, yadda yadda, oh shit there's the radar trap!
Mind you, the big number sure makes you THINK you're going fast.
Chrispy1200
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:03 am
ZED wrote:
I feel based on other vehicles that my speedo is 20% out. I'm running 13/48 gearing. $100 is a lot for the healer, but by the time I do the mental math... let's see, that times 2, divide by ten, carry the one, yadda yadda, oh shit there's the radar trap!
Mind you, the big number sure makes you THINK you're going fast.
I agree $100 is a lot but I can stomach $55 much better. And besides, our exchange rate is getting better these days.
mtb
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:43 am
today I just bought the SpeedoHealer, but only Version 3 as the shop is having a promotion...
anyway, it was PITA to install because they only had the universal connector
and the worst part was that after installation, it DID NOT work!
Not even the input/output test... No red light no nothing... dead
After struggling with it for the whole night, I realised that somehow the SH3 was not getting enough juice to power itself up from the connectors...
So, I connect the power wire to the battery, and it just decided to WORK!
And according to the online calculator, I am off by 6.7%... so I will give it a try tomorrow and see how it goes
King Wolf
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:20 am
Chrispy1200 wrote:
Someone on SMJ posted about a WR250R/X speedo corrector they found on Ebay for $55. It was sold but I contacted the seller. He's waiting for more connectors before building more but he sent me instructions and a link to a Youtube video on how to set it. Look like a good product. I'll buy one to be the guinea pig and I'll post back with a review. I'll post the link to the video when I get home tonight.
Hey is there anyway you could prove us with the instructions and the link to the Youtube video? If you could that would be Great.
desertblue
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:44 am
Went to 47T sprocket and my odometer is about %15 off. The motor seems to like the new gearing, but the odo error is just too high, and I agree that a speedo healer's price tag is also too high. Thinking of leaving the 47T and going to a 14T front to help with the odo error, but will lose most of the benefit of the rear sprocket. Sucks.
Chrispy1200
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:27 am
Chrispy1200 wrote:
Someone on SMJ posted about a WR250R/X speedo corrector they found on Ebay for $55. It was sold but I contacted the seller. He's waiting for more connectors before building more but he sent me instructions and a link to a Youtube video on how to set it. Look like a good product. I'll buy one to be the guinea pig and I'll post back with a review. I'll post the link to the video when I get home tonight.
SpeedoDRD Version 2.4X Instructions
SheWolf Alpha Rider
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:01 am
Just got a reply back from Brooks about if the SpeedoFix2 will correct both the ODO and the Speedo:
"Yes it does, after installing and setting up the unit, your odometer will start incrementing accurately and the speedometer will give accurate readings, of course their is no way to roll your odometer backwards to take off the inflated miles that occurred before SpeedoDRD was installed., but at least going forward your odometer will no longer be falsely inflating millage ;-) -Brooks
_________________ A wolf's voice echoed down the mountain 'Share the bounty of the hunt with your brothers and sisters, and forever be strong and free.'
mtb
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:04 am
SheWolf wrote:
Just got a reply back from Brooks about if the SpeedoFix2 will correct both the ODO and the Speedo:
"Yes it does, after installing and setting up the unit, your odometer will start incrementing accurately and the speedometer will give accurate readings, of course their is no way to roll your odometer backwards to take off the inflated miles that occurred before SpeedoDRD was installed., but at least going forward your odometer will no longer be falsely inflating millage ;-) -Brooks
Are you serious?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
Damn I just installed the SH V3 (rather cheap.. SGD$99)... and it will only cure 1/2 the actual disease
Well... Without a GPS, I am not sure how much off I am anyway
flatboarder
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:17 am
SheWolf wrote:
Just got a reply back from Brooks about if the SpeedoFix2 will correct both the ODO and the Speedo:
"Yes it does, after installing and setting up the unit, your odometer will start incrementing accurately and the speedometer will give accurate readings, of course their is no way to roll your odometer backwards to take off the inflated miles that occurred before SpeedoDRD was installed., but at least going forward your odometer will no longer be falsely inflating millage ;-) -Brooks
But since odometer and speedometer have got different displacement at the WR250R, this is not true in particular. You can fix odometer displacement but will then experience some of speedometer displacement remaining. Or do it the other way round, but it will count too few miles, then. Also, I believe, speedometer displacement at the WR has got a fixed part and some linear part. One can fix the linear part of displacement, only. The speedohealer page descibes some testing procedures for finding out about odometer displacement wothout using GPS (which would not display miles precise enough, anyway),
I would just suggest Yamaha would bring the nice digital cockpit to some better level of accuracy without using any additional gadgets. Or one would find out how accuracy can be adjusted at those stock devices.
Happy testing!
INSTIGATOR
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:09 pm
I have one of Brooks' units. He's got great turn around time and great customer service. The unit does correct both speed and odometer.(I verified with GPS) Very simple to install,he sets them up for you so all it is plug and play. Check out his website. www.12oclocklabs.com or Brooksyounce.com He can aslo be reached on SMJ screen name 12oclocker
YamWOW! Admin
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:53 pm
Someone should ask them to post up in the vendor section. It seems like a lot of WRR/X riders would be their customers.
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inspector
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:40 pm
Instigator.....I want more info. A "How To" would be most benificial. Usually I wouldn't care if the speedo is off, just an anoyance. But if I could fix that without causing another anoyance.....that would be BRILLIANT.
*group buy?
INSTIGATOR
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:40 pm
A "how to"? Not sure what you mean??!!!!
inspector
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:48 pm
INSTIGATOR wrote:
A "how to"? Not sure what you mean??!!!!
You know...A picture of this, a picture of that. This goes here, that goes there. This is what it looks like before and after. This is what it does. I endorse this product. Pros are....Cons are....
*inspector may be grasping, I just find it hard to believe that a simple "plug and play" unit, cheaper then a speedohealer, but still does more...blah, blah.
12oclocker
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:21 pm
Hey everyone, I just joined for forum today...
I have revised information for the odometer accuracy when using the SpeedoDRD unit... I've also discovered that not all WRX bikes are off by the same amount, The typical speedometer error is about 7%, but I've seen it as high as 11.1% with stock gearing and tires.. The following revision can also be found on my website 12oclockLabs.com...
Quote :
FAQ: Will the device correct the odometer as well? Yes, it will correct the odometer as well, although sometimes getting them both 100% correct continuously is not possible, this is because some bikes have an odometer error rate which is not equal to the speedometer error rate, since your ECU uses the same signal to determine both the odometer reading and the speed reading, this type of problem lies within the ECU itself. If you find yourself in this situation, you will be able to get your speed 100% and the odometer very close. Or you can choose to get the odometer 100% and the speed very close, or you could even choose a happy medium between the two, and get them both equally close, its up to you, and it depends on how far apart the two error rates are from each other.
To determine your Distance error rate, use this formula: 100 - ((Actual Miles Traveled / Miles Displayed on Odometer) * 100) = Distance Error Ratio where "Actual Miles Traveled" is a mileage reference which is known to be accurate, such as by a rolling wheel ruler, or laser distance measuring tool. (even wheel rulers and laser measuring tools have a margin of error)
To determine your Speedometer error rate, use this formula: 100 - ((GPS Speed / Speedometer Readout) * 100) = Speed Error Ratio
To determine the correction ratio for an error rate, you simply invert the sign, example: for a 7% error rate, you would need a -7% correction ratio entered into your SpeedoDRD device
Another factor to consider is that your odometer has probably been racking up inflated miles for quite some time now, so if your odometer is say around 4% errored and your speedometer is around 6% errored, and you already have say 1000 miles on your bike, you really only have 960 miles on your bike, and if you correct for the speed using a -6% correction ratio to get 100% accurate speed readings, you will cause a -2% correction on the odometer. This means that 2000 miles after using your -6% correction ratio, your odometer will finally read what it actually should. This is the most common situation among users which have error rates which are not equal, because the speed almost always has a higher error rate than the odometer if the two error rates are not equal. For this reason, and in most circumstances, it is usually best to go ahead and select to calibrate your speed to be 100% accurate.
SheWolf Alpha Rider
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:30 pm
Hey Brooks, welcome to the pack. Thanks for coming on and filling us in on the unit. Feel free to put the DRD into the vendor's area if you wish to.
_________________ A wolf's voice echoed down the mountain 'Share the bounty of the hunt with your brothers and sisters, and forever be strong and free.'
INSTIGATOR
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:33 pm
inspector wrote:
INSTIGATOR wrote:
A "how to"? Not sure what you mean??!!!!
You know...A picture of this, a picture of that. This goes here, that goes there. This is what it looks like before and after. This is what it does. I endorse this product. Pros are....Cons are....
*inspector may be grasping, I just find it hard to believe that a simple "plug and play" unit, cheaper then a speedohealer, but still does more...blah, blah.
It's really that easy. Unplug the speed sensor connectors and put his unit inline. All wires tuck away nicely. I'll get some pics up tomm.
ZED
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:48 pm
12oclocker wrote:
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To determine your Speedometer error rate, use this formula: 100 - ((GPS Speed / Speedometer Readout) * 100) = Speed Error Ratio ...
To determine your Speedometer error rate if you don't do the "twiddle with electronic gizmos while riding" (ie. don't have a GPS) just drive by the nearest cop. He's sure to tell you just how fast you were going in writing.
Couldn't resist.
inspector
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:22 am
Good information. So it sounds like if I correct for speed, almost no mater what the odometer is at least going to be closer then it was.
I figure my speedo to be off between 10-11%...No clue on the odometer. Looks like I need some testing done this weekend. If this is truely a plug & play unit, with no modifications needed at all, well hell....I want one.
WeaveR
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:57 pm
INSTIGATOR wrote:
I have one of Brooks' units. He's got great turn around time and great customer service. The unit does correct both speed and odometer.(I verified with GPS) Very simple to install,he sets them up for you so all it is plug and play. Check out his website. www.12oclocklabs.com or Brooksyounce.com He can aslo be reached on SMJ screen name 12oclocker
agreed... I got mine off eBay ... good price, fast shipping, pre-calibrated and great customer service....
but more importantly, IT WORKS!!!
here's some numbers from a quick test ride on the X tonight...
Speedo - about 1 mile under up to 35mph (indicated 35mph, GPS 34mph) 35-70mph the speedo and GPS were pratically identical.. sometimes it takes the GPS a second or two to "catch up", but I would say it's spot on!
ODO - 40 miles Trip meter - 39.2 miles GPS track - 41.8 miles....
huh? I actually traveled farther than the gauges indicated!!??
that sucks! .......there goes my gas mileage
Thanks Brooks
ZED
Subject: Re: Speedometer Error/Correction Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:01 am
inspector wrote:
Good information. So it sounds like if I correct for speed, almost no mater what the odometer is at least going to be closer then it was....
My thoughts too. What do I care if my ODO is out to lunch as long as I know where my speed is at without getting a brain cramp.
I figure that if I do my maintenance when it's needed, or within 10% of spec milage it's all good. As for resale, I don't care if the milage reads higher than it actually is. If a potential buyer wouldn't buy my bike due to 10% higher milage then they wouldn't buy one of my bikes at all since I plan on miling them all out anyway. My plan is that like my KLR and my Ducati, I'll have some worn out parts left over from this little thing when I'm done with it.
Now I just need to get off the fence and actually buy the corrector so I can rest my brain while riding.