IMS 3 GALLON TALLY!

I'm gonna wait for the o-ring... besides I've got 3.1 gallons of gas in there that I have to deal with, ugh. I don't see any leaks so maybe I'll just go ride for a while and switch out the seal next week. They might change something else between then and now.

I do appreciate the attitude of IMS though, nice company!!!!!

Sounds like the tank's gonna work, sooner or later. I sure like the tank.

taoshum wrote:

I'm gonna wait for the o-ring... besides I've got 3.1 gallons of gas in there that I have to deal with, ugh. I don't see any leaks so maybe I'll just go ride for a while and switch out the seal next week. They might change something else between then and now.

I do appreciate the attitude of IMS though, nice company!!!!!

Sounds like the tank's gonna work, sooner or later. I sure like the tank.

taoshum,

Your signature line says it all; it's especially appropriate to new production just out of prototype! (the gas tanks)

rTWO

Artoo wrote:

taoshum wrote:

I'm gonna wait for the o-ring... besides I've got 3.1 gallons of gas in there that I have to deal with, ugh. I don't see any leaks so maybe I'll just go ride for a while and switch out the seal next week. They might change something else between then and now.

I do appreciate the attitude of IMS though, nice company!!!!!

Sounds like the tank's gonna work, sooner or later. I sure like the tank.

taoshum,

Your signature line says it all; it's especially appropriate to new production just out of prototype! (the gas tanks)

rTWO

I believe it is the most difficult process in the world, the transition from R&D to Production... stable, efficient, profitable, successful production... the most effective way to create wealth available to humans. Thanks for recognizing it, few do.

The o-ring was brainstormed by Chuck today, so it wasn't an option yesterday (he stayed up all night trying to figure it out). I have longer screws, by about 1/8". I also went with a totally different head, one that uses a deep hex head that won't strip like the small hex that comes stock. The stock screws on mine barely caught the threads and on one it actually stripped because it pulled out. So I did go with longer threads and a different head. They work very well. Still running with the gorilla snot under the seal and no leaks.
Chuck's been very helpful with trying to come up with a fix; the guy has been pulling his hair out by the roots since this thing came into conception. He takes every project head on and sees it thru till the end, making sure everything works right...and if there's a hiccup, he's always been forthright and given me the up and up. Not once has he left me hanging. Being that this tank is essentially a new design for a new bike, I'm impressed that there hasn't been any more potholes other than the leak. Albeit a bad pothole, they found a fix fairly quickly and are on it to make sure these things work like intended.

Really, if you look at it...remember when they came out with Win ME...how much more 'superior a system it would be'...only to find out it was a total piece of shit. Back to the drawing board and they came out with Win XP. They guys at IMS went thru that with this tank. To begin with, it looked great, but didn't hold what they wanted, so they went back in and did some major tweaking. They come out with a tank that looks great, holds what it claims, and then it popped a leak. The o-ring is pretty much a driver update. Update the finicky part and everything is ready to rock. He seems to have tested out the o-ring under different variables, and all of them have held gas with no leaks. Definitely much cheaper for everyone replacing a simple gasket with an o-ring. Even with all the potholes on the road to success with this thing...I'd do it all over again. Why? Because of the dedication this company has shown, and that they stand behind what they produce. Customer satisfaction is definitely a priority along with quality product. So hang on guys...I still am riding the 4.5 roller coaster as it heads for the gate. Hopefully they won't have the headaches with that tank like they did with this one.

I am happy to have encouraged this company even if it meant doing my trip with the stock tank (instead of buying the safari) exactly because of that, they listen to their customer and stand behind their products.

njbill wrote:

I called them yesterday and they did not mention an o-ring. They gave me a RA and said to find a box to ship it back in. Do you folks think I should call back and ask about the o-ring?

I would. I have a Return # for my not-yet-installed tank, was just about to ship it back when I read about the o-ring. I emailed my contact (gave him my email when I called because 800 number is no good in Canada) saying I'll wait for the o-ring before shipping it back.

This O-ring idea sounds good. I'm just wondering one thing. He said he tested it with a new tank that was warpy. With the tanks we have, that have been sanded or whatever it is that they do, Will the O-ring squish into every tiny little groove or should we still put something else along with this new O-ring?

john92 wrote:

This O-ring idea sounds good. I'm just wondering one thing. He said he tested it with a new tank that was warpy. With the tanks we have, that have been sanded or whatever it is that they do, Will the O-ring squish into every tiny little groove or should we still put something else along with this new O-ring?

I had the exact same thought. As for me, I plan on using the new o-ring and some sealant on the tank, as I am not convinced the sanding/milling grooves are not at least partially the problem.

my hat is off to IMS and their persistence in getting this fixed for their customers. I have been fortunate in that I have not had any leaks, however a thicker O-ring would definitely be a welcome addition. When I installed my pump, I made sure to follow the cris-cross pattern, so that the stock o-ring was evenly seated across the bolt pattern. Thus far I'm fortunate in that I don't have any leaks. I put the tank on and immediately took off on a three day ride.....thus far no leaks.

Again, hats off to IMS For wanting to make it right for their customers.....

SheWolf wrote:

The o-ring was brainstormed by Chuck today, so it wasn't an option yesterday (he stayed up all night trying to figure it out). ]

I don't get any credit? I had that brainstormed last week.. no one remembers.. true genius often goes unnoticed & unrewarded.. :(

I'm good with the o ring.. Do i need to call or email for it?

Thanks, Lynn, for all your hard work & advocacy.
scotty

okdq wrote:

john92 wrote:

This O-ring idea sounds good. I'm just wondering one thing. He said he tested it with a new tank that was warpy. With the tanks we have, that have been sanded or whatever it is that they do, Will the O-ring squish into every tiny little groove or should we still put something else along with this new O-ring?

I had the exact same thought. As for me, I plan on using the new o-ring and some sealant on the tank, as I am not convinced the sanding/milling grooves are not at least partially the problem.

Agreed, my plan as well. Any idea when IMS will be sending them out? (new o-rings)

well..... hats off to whoever came up with the excellent idea of a thicker O-ring. I'm happy that IMS is making good on their product.

There are lots of other companies out there that would just shrug their shoulders and walk away..... leaving you holding the bag-o-***t

I have called IMS this morning, now that they know what to do to fix the leak, they need to get the O rings. It seems that there may not be many of this particular size available. Able was waiting for a shipment today, but not sure how many they will get, maybe 16. I am local and could probably go pick one up but have decided to wait till next week (as I have not done the install yet) so they can mail out what comes in (hope they target you out of the country) first. Like some that for what ever the reason have not installed the tank yet like me, I did not want to do this more than once, so, for the "re-doer's" I appreciate the R&D that was done for us procrastinators

I hope the masses appreciate all that is being done to provide us a quality product !!!! I do.
We need to understand that a "NEW" first production will have some down side, the future will be perfection.


Thanks IMS

They have access to 16 right now. Another supplier will be shipping from Seattle, that takes 3-5 business days. As far as I know, they will be shipping the o-rings in the same order they ship the tanks. He wanted to ship them all at the same time, but due to not having access to all the rings makes it kinda hard. My tank is still holding.

Lynn, do you recall the length, thread and size of the new bolts you picked up? Before I pull the tank I would like to get some just in-case.

The ones I got were 25mm. Part # SHM 5-25mm SOC HD 80P ZC. I cut about 1/4" off of those because they were too long and they didn't have anything in between the screws on the bike, and these ones.

SheWolf wrote:

The ones I got were 25mm. Part # SHM 5-25mm SOC HD 80P ZC. I cut about 1/4" off of those because they were too long and they didn't have anything in between the screws on the bike, and these ones.

SheWolf,

I'm not finding anything by part number. To clarify, are these socket head screws 5mm in diameter, 25mm long?

I suspect I'll only find one thread pitch, but that'd be appreciated if you know it, too.

If available, would 20mm be the perfect length or is it best to get the 25 and cut to length?

I'll probably order from boltdepot dot com since my local backwater hardware store sucks.

Thanks,

Artoo

I was trying to guesstimate the length as well, as far as thread pitch, I can take the new tank to the hardware store for that. I have an ACE close by that has a pretty good selection of nuts, bolts etc. IF I remember correctly, a 5mm is going to be a 1.0 thread pitch
If I get the bolts, I will post up the size and length, I will go tomorrow am.

Anyway, I will have to wait for the "honkin big O Ring" so time is on my side, bald tires and no planned outtings at the moment

oldirt wrote:

I was trying to guesstimate the length as well, as far as thread pitch, I can take the new tank to the hardware store for that. I have an ACE close by that has a pretty good selection of nuts, bolts etc. IF I remember correctly, a 5mm is going to be a 1.0 thread pitch
If I get the bolts, I will post up the size and length, I will go tomorrow am.

Anyway, I will have to wait for the "honkin big O Ring" so time is on my side, bald tires and no planned outtings at the moment

Oldirt,

I'd sure appreciate it if you would report back on that. It'd save me some hassles ordering the screws online.

Thanks,

Artoo

I'd take the tank to the hardware store and make sure to get the right diameter and pitch; brass is pretty soft compared to SS. Once you have the diameter and pitch, you can pick the head and length. FWIW.

taoshum wrote:

I'd take the tank to the hardware store and make sure to get the right diameter and pitch; brass is pretty soft compared to SS. Once you have the diameter and pitch, you can pick the head and length. FWIW.

It's probably the best option for most. I don't have that option.

"...I'll probably order from boltdepot dot com since my local backwater hardware store sucks..."

Oh the joys of living in the mountains west of "Taxenburg".

r2

Tusk aluminum IMS gas cap came from Rocky Mountain ATV today, Fits great, works great, looks cool (IMHO) One complaint, "Tusk" wording is cocked in relation to the tank....not a big deal here are some pictures:











Pictures are kinda crappy but you guys get the idea. Seems to fit real good and real tight. Do you need it? Nah, more for looks than anything...

Now where is that O-ring?

I called today and they informed me of the o-ring. Glad I called before boxing-up my tank.

I put about 20 miles on today with a good 5 miles of tight bouncy trail. The Seal All may have done the trick. It's as dry as can be down by the fuel pump.
I'll still take a Big-O just for back up though.

+1 put well over 40 miles on today and the seal with the halomar seems to be holding thus far. Will keep the oring for later if needed.

john92 wrote:

I put about 20 miles on today with a good 5 miles of tight bouncy trail. The Seal All may have done the trick. It's as dry as can be down by the fuel pump.
I'll still take a Big-O just for back up though.