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| Subject: Clutch Lever Tiedown Screw Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:21 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:56 am | |
| - BigFeet wrote:
- More neurotic "make work"...
When permanently removing the clutch handle and cable, I read that it can cause damage to leave the clutch actuator lever on the engine case just floating around loose. Some tie it down this way or that.
Here is how I did it. About $1.50 worth of hardware store stuff:
Highlights:
10-24 screw 2.5" long... trimmed 1/8" to avoid forcing it on installation. Had to grind flats on the screw head to get it to fit in the lever end Beveled the hole in the lever end with a Dremel as the 10-24 screw was a bit too large to go thru it at an angle Jam nuts/washers Red loctite Slug of silicone in the cable bracket to keep the screw from vibrating off center or outta there.
I adjusted it with the same gap between the actuator lever and the cable bracket - that is, a comparable gap to before when it had the clutch handle and cable in the normal relaxed or "out" position.
I don't think it'll be going anywhere. Since I've ditched the clutch handle and cable, I adjusted the internal actuator or "lifter" down pretty low, jam nutted and loctited it at that adjustment. This is to make double sure it doesn't interfere with the auto clutch engagement. It won't.
-feet Please post the installation instructions of the revloc. thanks | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:01 pm | |
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| | | chofilena
| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:29 pm | |
| - BigFeet wrote:
- Chofilena,
I'd like to help ya' out with that one, but forums can be touchy about possible copyright infringement when posting materials belonging to someone else.
Suggest you contact Alan at Revloc. He's a very friendly guy and I suspect he'd email them to you.
Be advised, though. I expect that the "original Revloc" versus the dyna-ring instructions will probably vary quite a bit anyhow, so I'm not sure my instructions would help you much since you plan to use the dyna-ring.
There are a couple of things in the instructions that caused some minor questions for me, but the excellent diagram clarified any questions.
I suppose the questions were really caused by my mindset. I kept thinking: "...the installation can't be that simple..." but actually, yes it is. Taking it apart yesterday to re-torque the hub nut reinforced this point. It was doubly easy the second time since my original mindset was no longer in the way.
I personally like elegant simplicity in engineering. Now I haven't seen inside the pressure plate to see where the greater complexity probably lives.
BigFeet Thats no problem. Been trying to get in touch with Alan but so far no success. I was thinking of getting the original revloc. For sure it will be a lot better than the dyna ring, what do you think? Should i wait a little longer? What's the advantage of a billet basket compared to the stock cast basket? | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:44 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:03 pm | |
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| | | chofilena
| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:17 pm | |
| - BigFeet wrote:
- chofilena wrote:
- BigFeet wrote:
- I'm a one bike rider, so I'm hoping I'll get it down fairly quickly. But I've never made rad mods like pitching the clutch lever and installing a LHRB before so I really don't know. I'm gonna have to try to really think about it at first. Preferably not in heavy traffic!
Goin' for the clutch out of habit and blasting the rear brake instead could be VERY bad out here on hwy 160 where everyone tailgates even if you're doin' 20 mph over the limit actual... and few places to pull over safely due to heavy gravel on the shoulders (several problems there and I try NOT to tilt at windmills any more).
Anyway, I still agree with BigBird on this and I'm trying it as a hopeful experiment only for a while.
L JUst talked with Allan. He said his still not convinced with the dyna ring and not giving up. Ill give him till december if not I'd go for the more$$$ revloc, he claims that he had perfected it. Chofilena, I missed this post. Mea culpa. I'm guessing from here on out until next spring, the test riding miles on the dynaring will be much reduced due to snow season weather. Alan's in Colorado like me, so get out the snow shovel and all.
I think most will agree that the original Revloc is hell for stout; practically a legacy item.
Did Alan give you a deadline for when they planned to declare the WRR/X dynaring (current version in testing) a success or a failure?
BigFeet
Well Alan told me it will be ready before christmas. Because i told him i will be getting one as my gift to myself | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:20 pm | |
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| Subject: First "real" hour of riding BigFeet with the Revloc Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:39 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:30 am | |
| my only concern is the occasional need to clutch the front end up on the trail, when going over larger obstacles like logs. If you give up the clutch lever how are you supposed to pick up the front? |
| | | velvetcows
| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:18 am | |
| - twowheeled wrote:
- my only concern is the occasional need to clutch the front end up on the trail, when going over larger obstacles like logs. If you give up the clutch lever how are you supposed to pick up the front?
+1 when u let off the throttle does the bike engine brake or coast how do you snap the front up w out clutching it up and how do u back it in? so many applications and reasons to have control over when to use the clutch and how quick and how far to engage/disengage the clutch the only times I can think of needing or wanting the auto clutch are 1-my wrist is weak as hell from surgery and have almost no strength in that hand. 2-last sunday while practicing 1st gear wheelies, I had the front wheel up in the sky and when I tapped the brake, stall (cuz i wasn't workin th clutch) 3-I'm lazy i just see too many reasons to have and use my clutch lever to control the bike. Do u ride your bikes or just cruise for show? I'd love to try an auto clutch to see for myself......... | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:46 am | |
| well the auto clutch isnt really for street riding, it's more for trail/enduro stuff where you need to focus on balance/picking your way through really rough stuff without worrying about stalling or fanning the clutch. I've been on tight single track rides where I've had to feather the clutch for nearly 2 hours on end, and by the end I had such bad arm pump I could barely steer at all. But there were times when I still had to pop the front to get over obstacles. |
| | | chofilena
| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:46 am | |
| - BigFeet wrote:
- I'm quickly learning to upshift and downshift clutchless. Quicker than I expected but a definite learning curve.
Other than that, I'm loving the autoclutch AND the LHRB. I haven't grabbed for the phantom clutch lever once so far.
I think that's because the autoclutch is so freakin' fun, I'm thinking about it a lot while riding.
The bike was a mountain goat in the first place IMHO, but now it thinks it's a full on trials bike that can blast down the interstate, too!
My impression of the Revloc
- Unstallable. This is obvious, but is an incredible feeling in situations where stalling might have been a factor before. Ultra low speed turns and maneuvering are a breeze.
- Faux Torque. Rationally thought out, I know the bike can't have any more torque now than before. But the bike apparently doesn't know that. It feels WAY more torquey. Each gear feels "longer". I can see where one might get into the habit of abusing the clutch through low rpm lugging in too high a gear because it now feels like there is so much more on tap.
I'll just keep reminding myself that it's never a good idea to lug a machine. Whereas before, that would be protecting the engine, NOW that will be protecting the clutch.
"Revloc Auto Clutch: Now your 250 thinks it's a 450."
Well, that's exaggeration right there. But ya' get my meaning. It definitely feels like it has more beans.
-feet Got the revloc cant wait any longer. Decided on the original for the option of the LHRB. Thanks for sharing your insights about it. Can you post a picture on how you installed your LHRB. | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:39 pm | |
| auto clutch isn't for street riding? I deduce you've never driven one. Horse hockey. Works great on street; better on street than offroad.
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:59 pm | |
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| Subject: BigFeet's LHRB Detail Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:39 pm | |
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| Subject: Motorcycle Brake Bleeding - one guy's primer on it Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:59 pm | |
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| Subject: Handguard Spacers Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:27 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:24 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:06 pm | |
| You're welcomed. I hope the installation goes well for you
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| | | chofilena
| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:22 am | |
| - BigFeet wrote:
- Chofilena,
You're welcomed! I hope the installation goes well for you!
BigFeet Hi BigFeet, Just installed my revloc clutch and im out to test ride it. Tried it a bit and so far so good, it really works! Still waiting for the rain to stop and ill go out again. My concern is when you shift to first gear it moves really really slow without turning the throttle and you have to pull the brakes to put into full stop. Tried adjusting the idle but its still the same. Maybe i should ride it some more for the clutch to settle. Will go back to my bike first | |
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| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:42 am | |
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| | | chofilena
| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:38 am | |
| [quote="BigFeet"] - chofilena wrote:
- BigFeet wrote:
- Chofilena,
You're welcomed! I hope the installation goes well for you!
BigFeet Hi BigFeet, Just installed my revloc clutch and im out to test ride it. Tried it a bit and so far so good, it really works! Still waiting for the rain to stop and ill go out again. My concern is when you shift to first gear it moves really really slow without turning the throttle and you have to pull the brakes to put into full stop. Tried adjusting the idle but its still the same. Maybe i should ride it some more for the clutch to settle. Will go back to my bike first Chofilena, No, I didn't experience that. Here are some thoughts: First of all, my nomenclature may be wrong so let me define what I mean in the attached. The clutch stack includes 2 different kinds of rings when stock. Aluminum rings with friction material on them. I'll call these "frictions". There are also steel rings in the stack with NO friction material on them. I'll call these "steels". This is nomenclature from automatic transmissions, not bikes so it may not be correct here. Anyway, this will let you know what I mean in the below text. "Clutch stack" would then mean the stack of steels and frictions; every other one. AND, please note: The stack should start from the bottom of the basket with a "friction" first as the thinner "steel" would try to fall down behind the center hub and cause all kinds of headaches. OK, finally to those notes/thoughts I have: Just wondering, did you by any chance check the clutch stack for the specified .045" clearance with a feeler gauge once the Revloc pressure plate was installed? Mine had exactly .045" as per Revloc spec and that was using the one modified machined down steel in the stack that had been machined down for the proper clearance by Revloc... Did you receive a modified steel plate from Revloc along with the new stack of frictions? I left one stock steel out of the stack and replaced it with the machined down steel from RL. The only drag I got was on cold start up and then it was only slight and temporary. Like when starting the bike cold in the a.m. --when in gear-- with the stock clutch and the handle pulled in. My understanding is that it's the thickened oil making the "stack" components stick together a bit when cold and is normal for pretty much any motorcycle clutch. Back to the Revloc: Then, after just a few seconds of running with small drag when stone cold startup in gear in the a.m., that drag was gone for the rest of the ride. Typical cold bike friction drag on cold startup only. Nothing more than the first few seconds. So in answer to your question, no, I didn't get that continuous dragging at all. Did you pre-soak your new clutch friction plates in motor oil for an hour or so prior to installation? I suggest calling Alan. There was no "wear in" necessary with my Revloc setup. If you measured the clearance and it was less than .045", I suspect Alan would want to send you a different machined "steel" plate (machined even thinner) to compensate. Larry [/quote Yes, Alan sent me new friction plates and one steel plate. You are right about the cold drag and i think its also because, i was not able to soak the friction plates when i installed it. I was looking for more instructions but the instructions was really straight forward. I would suggest to others that, if you have minimal experience on the bikes engine have a mechanic to do. But now im enjoying it, no more drag only on the first start of the day. Its so cool sometimes you dont know what gear you are in. Tried doing figure of 8's before i would come in and out of the turn on 1st gear then shift to second but now i can enter the turn on second. its so cool With the LHRB i still get confused sometimes but im getting the feel of it. I got the dual brakes and the bleeding of the air took me maybe 3 long hours of pumping, hated that part of the installation. | |
| | | BigBird
| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:53 pm | |
| You Said:
" I got the dual brakes and the bleeding of the air took me maybe 3 long hours of pumping, hated that part of the installation."
I also had some probems bleeding but Alan told me to do if for a while then use a screwdriver or something to get in between the rotor and the brake shoe/cylinder to push the shoe/slave-cylinder it back in and then bleed again. This seemed to be the trick as I was fine in a couple of minutes then. I think some air get caught in a pocket somewhere and this seems to free it. | |
| | | chofilena
| Subject: Re: Interested in a RevLoc automatic clutch? Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:37 am | |
| - BigBird wrote:
- You Said:
" I got the dual brakes and the bleeding of the air took me maybe 3 long hours of pumping, hated that part of the installation."
I also had some probems bleeding but Alan told me to do if for a while then use a screwdriver or something to get in between the rotor and the brake shoe/cylinder to push the shoe/slave-cylinder it back in and then bleed again. This seemed to be the trick as I was fine in a couple of minutes then. I think some air get caught in a pocket somewhere and this seems to free it. Yes, i also did that. But still took a lot of time. Nice picture of your bike big feet. For others who might want to use the LHRB. if your using the the easton woods handle bar no need for grinding on light control casing. I just shaved off one of the thingy (sorry don't know what it is called) on the red adjuster of the magura brakes. | |
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